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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Oh ok I see what you mean its only terrorism if you aren't xtian.... quote: This is the "No True Scotsman" logical fallacy. It goes like this: "No true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge. Angus MacGregor, who has always lived in Glasgow, puts sugar on his porridge. Angus MacGregor is not a true Scotsman." You are simply redefining, to adhere to our modern cultural sensibilities, what it means to be Christian in order to distance yourself from the atocities committed by Christians. Just because you don't like what some Christians did in the past doesn't mean you now get to say they aren't Christians. They were Christians, because they thought of themselves a Christian, believed in Christ, and believed they were doing God's work. You simply judge them as non Christians by your modern standards of what a good Christian should act like. Tell me, if in a thousand years, cultural standards have changed in that Christinas in the future consider it an abomination and a sin to use the computer, would it be accurate of them to look back at your computer use and declare that you were never a "true Christian?"
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Tell me, is there any information source critical of Israel that you do trust? IF so, please link to it or list it.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: ...except when God has ordered it. Right?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
You are excusing genocide. You keep calling it "justice". Make no mistake, Faith, you are the one who is confused. There can never be any justification for genocide. Never. quote: So, God just told me that all Jews need to be eliminated, that Hitler was correct, that Jews really are the cause of all of the world's problems. The Final Solution is the One True Way. That's what God says.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Actually, the reason eyewitness accounts are now known to be generally ureliable is through our increasing understanding of how the brain deals with memory. It used to be thought that memories were kind of like video tapes, but we now understand that all memories are reconstructions of events. Also, memory is very plastic and maleable and memories are often manipulated and greatly affected by our emotional state, personal prejudices and biases. It is not through any "degeneration" that we don't put as much stock in eyewitness accounts as we used to, but because science has increased our understanding. Let me ask you this; Do you accept the use of DNA evidence in crime investigations and criminal trials? If so, if the DNA of someone identified by a witness, or many witnesses, as being the perpetrator of a crime does not match the DNA gathered at the crime scene, would you ignore the DNA evidence in favor of the witness accounts? There have been many cases of people being exonerated by DNA evidence even though the witnesses are ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE that they correctly identified their rapist or mugger.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Sure, I'll submit it.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Didn't you read my post? No, I can't always trust my own eyes.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Hold it, hold it. Aren't you the same poster who just wrote this?:
You say many somebodies is no better than one somebody. Multiple witnesses have historically been counted as evidence by courts, the more the better. Maybe no longer, maybe we've degenerated to the point that such standards are meaningless. It seems that you have an ENORMOUS double standard here.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Faith, I'd really like an answer to the following questions:
Are there any information sources which are critical of Israel that you accept as reliable? If so, what are they? Are there any information sources supportive of Islam or the Palestinians that you accept as reliable? If so, what are they? This message has been edited by schrafinator, 02-28-2005 08:50 AM
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Faith, I'd really like an answer to the following questions: Are there any information sources which are critical of Israel that you accept as reliable? If so, what are they?Are there any information sources supportive of Islam or the Palestinians that you accept as reliable? If so, what are they? quote: Who said anything about any rules? You have mentioned that thare are many news media outlets that you mistrust, and you have given a list of those that you do trust, and all of them seem to be pretty pro-Israel or anti-Islam/Palestinian. I am asking for examples of information sources that you trust which are critical of Israel or supportive of Islam and the Palestinians. This way, I can be reassured that you are attempting to look at all sides of the issue, which you have admonished others to do in this thread.
quote: Yes, but do you seek out information which would disprove what you want to be true? We already know that you trust the pro-Israel sites you list. Are there any information sources which are critical of Israel which you would consider legitimate? If so, what are they? If not, why should we consider your posts anything other than completely biased apologetics for the radical Zionist Iraelis?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I agree. What information sources critical if Israel do you consider reliable? What information sources supportive of Israel do you reject as unreliable? Please be specific.
quote: No, not at all. We are considering their side of the story.
quote: What would be a good reason for the Israeli army to burn a family's crops and bulldoze their olive trees? Go on, this is your chance, we are listening for the reason for the Israeli's actions.
quote: Go on, tell us the reason for those actions. We are listening. Tell us, we are begging you, tell us.
quote: I COMPLETELY AGREE! Tell us what reason the Israeli army would have to torch a family's crops and bulldoze their olive trees. Please tell us. Please, please, please.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: The reason I am asking you, faith, to tell me what the Israeli side of the story is, is because you seem to have your finger on the pulse of the Israeli side of things. Didn't you say that you have been studying it for several years? Surely, being more expert than I am, you must have the ability to form some kind of hypothesis of why the Israeli army would torch a Palestinian family's crops and bulldoze their olive trees, don't you? What is your educated guess as to why they would do that?
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