Islam does not hate christianity

I've done my homework on Islam over the years and Faith appears to understand more about Islam than you do. You need to understand first of all that Christianity began with Jesus the Christ. OT Jews were not Christians. They were God's people/kingdom/nation through who he will eventually establish his kingdom on earth via Jesus Christ at his 2nd advent. True Christian Biblical fundamentalists believe, practice and live as Jesus and the apostles taught, i.e, to even love and help their enemies and to harm nobody. Jesus restored the ear of the soldier who's ear Peter cut off when they came to arrest Jesus.Not so with Islamic fundamentalists. They follow and practice the teachings and examples of Mohammed who killed and enslaved thousands and who taught his followers to fight, enslave, tax and and abuse/oppress the infidels. Mohammed had a whole Jewish town under siege. The defenseless town surrendered. Mohammed then took all the women and children to be sold into slavery and then spent all day beheading all the men of the village. Islamic fundamentalists are not madmen. Osama BenLaden and Sadam Hussein are not madmen. Their just good fundamnentalists who follow and teach what the Koran, the Hadiths and the Sunnas advocate and what the Prophet did and taught.The day before 9/11 I was with Newsmax Forum debating an Islamic fellow about these very things, my position being that Islam was a violent religion. To my great surprise, the very next morning this horrific show and tell event happened, to my dismay. The Islamic chap never showed up to finish the debate, after the forum resumed following the event, and of course I don't blame him. It would have been interesting to know what he thought about it all. Again, apples and oranges. The OT massacres were ordered by the true god, Jehovah for the purpose of:
1. Establishing a nation for his chosen people who would eventually establish his kingdom on earth.
2. Destroy the false gods and worshippers of those gods occupying that land, i.e. Caanan.
3. When Israel, God's own people messed up and began worshipping false gods, guess what? God used other pagan nations like Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon to massacre them and take the remnant captive for punishment and eventual world wide dispersement. Why? For the same reason. The land of Israel was to be God's place for his eventual kingdom and not to follow false gods.What Mohammed set out to do in the 7th century by the establishment of Islam and his god, Allah was to mimic the OT. He ordered his people to kill, conquer and occupy and it was not just one land, but was to eventually conquer the planet for him and his god, Allah.So this all boils down to which god is the true god who has the authority to order this stuff, Allah or Jehovah and which was the true prophet, killer Mohammed or nonviolent Jesus? This is what's going on in the Middle East and why, as the Biblical prophets and Jesus prophesied, in the latter days, (ours) Israel, after being 2 milleniums scattered worldwide are back in their/Jehovah's land for the soon return of messiah Jesus. This war on terror will end eventually at Armageddon, [b]after Islamic/Russian/northern European alliance emerges, being the prominent power to eventually invade Jerusalem. Jesus appears and these armies by him and by turning against each other will be wiped out with dead bodies everywhere. Read about the prophesy of the return of Jews and the invasion in Ezekiel 37, 38, and 39. It is also alluded to in other OT prophets, NT books and in Revelation.This message has been edited by buzsaw, 02-22-2005 23:08 AM

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

Unlike many African nations, Tanzania is not a Muslim nation. It has a Christian majority on the mainland which has about 34 million people, about 55% Christian and 35% Muslim. The archipalego/island of Zanzibar which is part of Tanzania has about 99% Muslim. The nation has a fairly good constitution which forbids persecution and guarantees the rights of all religions, including some Hindu and Buddhists, etc. It also forbids religious from politicizing and being proselytized in schools, though all religions may be taught in schools.Zanzibar is autonimous and interestingly that's where there's less freedom and where women are not treated well. There are about a million people there. That's where more of the unrest and confrontation between religions exist. Zanzibar recently joined the Islamic fundamentalist Organization Of The Islamic Conferance, along with Nigeria which has some concerned about the future. Foreign Islamic fundamentalists have been infiltrating Tanzania with Islamic fundamentalistic influence and disruptive activities including incitement of riots, etc.It appears the closer the Islamic gets to Mohammed, the Koran, Islamic Haddiths and Sunnas the more intolerant and brutal and intolerant Muslims become.

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

Go to many Islamic fundamentalist nations and try distributing Bibles or preaching Jesus and his father God, Jehovah or begin building a Christian church. LOL! You had better have your sffairs at home settled before you leave on this mission. On the other hand, go to most Christian majority nations and the Koran as well as Islam may be taught freely. Mosques are allowed also.OR, if you're a Muslim in many nations and you decide to convert out of Islam, you're likely going to die for doing so, as Mohammed taught and practiced that this should be the punishment. The Haddiths and the Sunas call for death to heretics also, i.e. those who convert out.

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

From what I've read of and about the Hadiths and Sunnas, the apostles/desciples of Mohammed wrote many of these after his death and they are considered by most as important as Christians regard the New Testament in the Bible which is an addition to the Jewish scriptures. In fact I believe the majority of fundamentalists regard them as more relevant and important than the Koran itself as do Christians with the NT.

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

Pardon, Andya, but you never established with me that Allah was not the name of the Muslim god. If Allah is not a name, what IS the name of your god? Yes, Allah means god, but there's no other name in Islam that I am aware of for the Muslim god. The name Jehovah is in the OT manuscripts some 6000 times, but Islam does not recognize that name, nor is in the Koran at all that I am aware of. Go to a Muslim fundie nation and try preaching/teaching that Allah's proper name is Jehovah/Yahweh as the Bible teaches. LOL.In the Bible, elohim/god is a generic name referring to any god, depending on context. It is not the proper name for the Biblical god. Jehovah/Yahweh is the proper name of the Biblical god.

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

Many Islamic nations do not allow missionaries to proselyte for converts in their nations. I believe Syria, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Andya's Indonesia, would be just a few. Correct me if I'm wrong. In many nations it would be dangerous to do so, regardless.I have friends who are translators in Indonesia, but my understanding is that they may go only as translators and not as missionaries perse.This message has been edited by buzsaw, 02-23-2005 23:04 AM

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

This wasn't addressed to me, but for the record here is some information about the Palestinians.Below are two paragraphs from the interesting study. Think-Israel--

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

There's always been a small minority of Christians in these nations, but they are oppressed, repressed and often severely persecuted. Voice Of The Martyrs has, in the past year reported the severe persecution of Christians in Iran whom they are lending aid to. I believe their website is The Voice of the Martyrs. Christians are not allowed to evangelize Muslims in many of these nations and if they do so it will be at great risk. In Andya's Indonesia alone, some 500 churches have been destroyed in recent years, Christians made homeless and some murdered, the government apathetic to their plight. Some 2 million Christians have been murdered in Sudan by central government forces and Muslim bands since 1990. The US and UN is finally beginning to take notice.

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

Faith, this is just one example of the good work you've done in this thread so as for the truth to prevail. I see you registered way back in '01. Where've you been? I hope you'll bless us with more of your stuff in the future. Thanks much and may God bless you and yours richly for the effort you've gone to here.

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

CF, check your message here. It appears you've got posts mixed up as to responses.

Maybe if you lived in a tiny country surrounded by hostile armies sympathetic to these bombers, you'd look at things differenly. Israel, in order to survive MUST take these measures to keep the Jehadists of a territory which still refuses to recognize Israel's right to exist, in tow. It's bad enough as it is, and would be much worse for Israel if these stringent counter offenses weren't maintained. It's like if New Jersy were being threatened by every surrounding state of extinction by terrorism because the other states wanted them all (Jersians) wiped out and citizens from those other states were constantly coming and going into N Jersey.

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

I see you've not read all that much of me. I'm a Biblical fundamentalist Christian; have been since receiving Jesus as saviour and lord some 60 years ago at age 10. I became intensely interested in Biblical prophecy as a teenager and have been in the Bible daily ever since. What we're discussing is apocalyptic, however, regardless of whether you debate from that perspective. To be "apocalyptic minded" is not a bad thing for a Christian to be and you appear to be more "apocalyptic" than you may consider yourself to be, in that you appear apocalyptically apprised, prophetically. Indeed it, imo, is on topic. It is all a whole lot to do with why Islam's/Mohammed's Jihad targets Christianity along with Judiasm. 1. True that much of today's end time stuff is bad theology. Many popular prophecy greats have a lot of things bass akwards, criss crossed and mixed up. Having read scores of prophecy books, I've come to be a one book (Bible) man on prophecy for sorting it all out and still learning.2. Islam allies itself with whomever it finds of use at any given time for the ultimate goal of world conquest. It was Hitler, enemy of Islam's enemy, the Jews at that time in history. It was Communism for the decades when Russia armed Israel's enemies with migs, tanks and munitions for the hoped for destruction/anyhalation of Israel. Islam continues to be Russia's friend. Ezekiel 38, imo, is indicative that Armageddon will comprise a Muslim/communism alliance of invaders with the blessings of the pro-Islamic and pro-socialist UN. Germany/Gomer and Northern Africa Muslim nations are also implicated in this chapter. This Armageddon appears, as I understand prophecy, to come shortly after a three and a half year treaty between Israel and her neighbors breaks down.

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

.......And yes, the same God motivated and empowered the enemies of his nation, Israel to execute equally as horrendous judgement on tens of thousands of his own nation when they turned from him to follow those false gods of pagan nations. This shows that the Biblical god, Jehovah is just, fair and balanced and true.

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

This's a very well thought out point, Faith, and soundly refutes the bogus argument that Allah is not the proper name of the Muslim God.You've certainly done a masterful job of setting the record straight in this thread, imo. Keep up the good work and when this thread's finished, I hope to see more of your good stuff elsewhere. Your effort here is much appreciated!! This message has been edited by buzsaw, 02-27-2005 23:45 AM

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In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw