Islam does not hate christianity

I've seen a few christians speaking of Islam and how they are wrong and don't worship the same God. I've seen some say Muslims hate christians. This is a common misconception that bothers me. The Ottoman Turks didn't force the christians to leave and they didn't persecute them. They respected christians. They knew that they both worshipped the same God. They didn't hate Jesus. The christians only had to pay tribute to stay on their lands. The only reason Muslims fought christians was because of the crusades.Even now fundamentalist muslims are looked as haters of christianity. They aren't. They hate Americans. We come and push capitalism on them, try to force democracy and this corporate, manufactured, phony world on the muslims. Look at things through Osama bin Laden's eyes. You see a land you love, torn apart by superpowers, the beauty of these lands defiled by corporations, concrete, the beauty of goods made is lost, instead you have mass manufactured products, the beauty of life being ripped from your hands. He stood to do something about it and essentially by himself defeated the greatest nation in the world.I'm in not condoning the death he caused was good, but our nation deserved something. Not the innocent people, but the government.Islam has never hated christians since Mohammed, they saw us as brothers.Islam has a right to hate America.This message has been edited by chris porcelain, 02-21-2005 00:11 AM

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YeahWe are followers of capitalism, not christianity.

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Thomas:
(64) Jesus said, "A man had received visitors. And when he had prepared the dinner, he sent his servant to invite the guests.
He went to the first one and said to him, 'My master invites you.' He said, 'I have claims against some merchants. They are coming to me this evening. I must go and give them my orders. I ask to be excused from the dinner.'
He went to another and said to him, 'My master has invited you.' He said to him, 'I have just bought a house and am required for the day. I shall not have any spare time.'
He went to another and said to him, 'My master invites you.' He said to him, 'My friend is going to get married, and I am to prepare the banquet. I shall not be able to come. I ask to be excused from the dinner.'
He went to another and said to him, 'My master invites you.' He said to him, 'I have just bought a farm, and I am on my way to collect the rent. I shall not be able to come. I ask to be excused.'
The servant returned and said to his master, 'Those whom you invited to the dinner have asked to be excused.' The master said to his servant, 'Go outside to the streets and bring back those whom you happen to meet, so that they may dine.' Businessmen and merchants will not enter the places of my father."

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If there is a revolution against it, we may have a chance to return to God.

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Christianity is a dogma of oppression; its product is willing an obedient slaves.

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I think you're missing what christianity was meant to be and judging it by its misuse in history.

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It is NOT an accident that the most vehement support for American Imperialism comes from the nexus of right-wing politics and religion; religion is primarily a conservative influence that rationalises the government as good.

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A revolution against capitalism would make religion even less significant, as the obfuscatory and propagandist role of the church will no longer be required.

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John wrote of false prophets that would do miracles and persuade you, I took that as a metaphor for using Jesus.People would start living and would be real.Basically the argument is if God is pleased with our society right now.You can be the judge of that.

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I think religious fundamentalists aren't bad.There is an essential flaw in all beliefs relating to man and not God (these are all other fundamentalists), in that they are trivial.I respect those that honor their God and their religion by believing and accepting in knowledge of opposing evidence and lacking any evidence for their religious beliefs. They are the Last Samuria of this world and should be respected for their faith.That there are misrepresentations to every religion, you should not judge the Muslim fundamentalists by the violent ones, although they may have every right to be violent, and you should not judge the christian fundamentalists by the ignorant, propaganda preaching ones, the television evangelists and whoever else that shines a negative light on truly beautiful faith.I am a christian fundamentalist to show a symbol that I have faith in God and I identify with a beautiful piece of literature more than scientific evidence.

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The religion says Jews must go, Israel must go, and any kind of deception is permitted in that service. The reason there is not a Palestinian state is not that Israel has refused, it's that they refuse all states short of all of Israel. They draw their maps as if Israel did not exist. It's all "Palestine" though there never was a Palestinian people until Israel had become established there.

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Wrong. They believed they worshipped the same God. With assertions like one above you attempt to rewrite history.

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The christians only had to pay tribute to stay on their lands.

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Islam spread originally by the sword.

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Actually it didn't. You could make a better correlation to that statement and christianity, noting the inquisition and the crusades.You judge Islam by muslim pirates?

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you're not going yto justify your beliefs?

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Wrong. There's a ton of evidence for what I'm saying out there. If you start with Jihad Watch and faithfreedom.org you'll find it.

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They believed they worshipped the same God, yes, but that their new revelation cancelled out the Biblical revelation and is intended to conquer the world, and those who stick to the Biblical religions are now infidels for rejecting the new revelation. The Koran changes Biblical facts, makes Ishmael Abraham's heir instead of Isaac as the Bible says, even confuses Mary the mother of Jesus with Miriam the sister of Moses. They consider this the truth and the Bible false. They changed the name of God. In the Bible God gives His N ame as YHWH, "I Am that I Am." That is His Name. It is not Allah. The name Allah was originally the name of the moon god, one of hundreds of idol gods that were housed at Mecca before Mohammed made it Muslim. Yes, Muslims believe they worship the same God, but they don't.

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how much you explain differences and explain how Islam took from christianity, which I don't disagree with, that doesn't matter. The fact is Jews were not totally obliterated because Islam tolerated the Jews.

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Basically they had to pay for the privilege of remaining alive. The same for the Jews throughout most of their history under Islam, in spite of a "golden age" in which they supposedly fared well, though indications are that it wasn't as golden as they would like to think.

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When I said christians I meant Jews and christians, it was simply a typing mistake on my part to not say Jews.It was almost unheard of for a conquered nation to be allowed to live,and practice their faith, that tribute tax was a very kind gesture.

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The Crusades were European wars to repel the Muslims who had invaded Europe and the Holy Land. It had nothing whatever to do with spreading Christianity. If you would look at the link I provided to the history of how Christianity was spread you would see that it had nothing to do with force. The Inquisition also had nothing to do with the spread of Christianity, it was one of the corrupt actions of the corrupt Roman church, and since I identify with the Protestants the Inquisition martyred I don't consider the Inquisition to have anything to do with Christianity.

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They inhabited the holy land. They never invaded Europe.

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It's all about conquering the world for Allah and ridding the world of Allah's enemies, either by conversion or by murder.

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No, if that were the case, dominant religions such as Judaism and christianity would not exist today.

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I'm glad you posted here.Yeah I don't think christians that think muslims are bad are hateful, I just think they misunderstand, the latter of what you said.Since I do not own or have ever read the Koran I thank you for sharing this verse:

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Q29:47
And do not argue with the people of the Scripture ('Christians, Jews') except in the best manner; except for those who are wicked amongst them; and Say: "We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is the same; to Him we surrender."

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faith and custard:I knew of the Ottamon empire I was posting in haste and didn't take time to think of what they actually conquered. I wasn't thinking of Europe only associating the pope, what was controlled by the church as Europe for some reason, forgive me.The point is that the treatment of conquered lands and the tolerance to their Judaism was extraordinary.

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Can you trust your own eyes?

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Can you tell when to trust your eyes and when not to?
Can you cite an example in life of when you didn't trust your own eyes?

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