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RAZD

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Message 4 of 110 (252086)
10-15-2005 11:51 PM

Reply to: Message 1 by Nuggin
10-15-2005 12:06 AM

columns

So, what's our game plan?

um, to wait for the botch administration to self destruct?

One of the tenents of good debate and honest discussion is tolerance of alternate ideas, imho, and going on the attack on someone's personal beliefs tends to invalidate that.

So we are mostly left with attacking concepts on the basis of evidence and holding those who do not play by the rules to the fire foot first, as much as possible.

BUT

We can also present articles on the validity of science, make a clear case for science in certain specific aspects - something like the columnist forum that Ben is working on reviving with my modest effort on the possibilities for abiogenesis on earth and elsewhere in the universe, or Mamuthus' article on sloths.

I would like to see a good article on the descent of man from a common ancestor, include neanders, chimps, DNA info, fossils, the woiks. Maybe start by addressing the "why are monkeys still around" as an intro. Perhaps co-authored by a couple of the folks here instead of just one.

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Message 6 of 110 (252089)
10-16-2005 12:05 AM

Reply to: Message 5 by nwr
10-15-2005 11:57 PM

it's an astrological sign!

cancer treatment. mutations, adaptation, it has it all. oh, and survival common now for many forms that were once deadly.

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Message 11 of 110 (252119)
10-16-2005 7:47 AM

Reply to: Message 8 by coffee_addict
10-16-2005 1:39 AM

not only is mike back, check POTM!

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Message 12 of 110 (252121)
10-16-2005 7:51 AM

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10-16-2005 5:53 AM

that's because he's already detected that fossils are evidence against his world view and must be denied, can't deny just the ones that are a problem, therefore must deny all.

it's a typical shut-down systems approach when the individuals nonsense meter pegs.

(I like the "warning will robinson" analogy too)

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Message 26 of 110 (252524)
10-17-2005 9:18 PM

Reply to: Message 25 by bkelly
10-17-2005 9:14 PM

Re: Why bother? What can we do?

2. What can we do to hold back the evil that they cause?

um, don't elect them president?

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Message 30 of 110 (252847)
10-18-2005 6:47 PM

Reply to: Message 27 by bkelly
10-17-2005 9:41 PM

Re: Why bother? What can we do?

Things you can do:

voluteer to help tutor science classes at basic levels. teach logic and sound reasoning.

go to PTA\schoolboard meetings and be a voice for science.

get involved with "odyssey of the mind" competitions as a coach.

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Message 32 of 110 (252863)
10-18-2005 8:43 PM

Reply to: Message 31 by Heathen
10-18-2005 8:08 PM

"just the facts. maam"

Personally it is not my wish to destroy anyones faith, but if they come on here and take part in a debate they should expect to have their beliefs challenged rigourously.

I would qualifiy that to "they should expect to have their beliefs that are contradicted by well known facts to be challenged rigourously."

I have no quarrel with beliefs that fit the facts.

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