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Jesus; the Torah, Nevi'im, and Psalms (Part 2)

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12-29-2005 6:35 PM 		Reply to: Message 216 by randman
12-29-2005 5:56 PM

Re: Didn't see this before the edit
I agree that both John the Baptist and Jesus very likely made reference to parts of the OT, for example the quote "In the time of Noah", but that does not mean that the early prophecies had a dual meaning, only that the authors of the New Testament used earlier books as reference, examples and allegory.
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I'm not trying to dissuade you from your beliefs, you are free to believe anything you want. All I'm saying is that your explanation seems weak and the far more likely interpretation is that the authors of the New Testament used earlier resources to bolster their positions.
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12-29-2005 8:10 PM 		Reply to: Message 219 by randman
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Re: Didn't see this before the edit
Please show where he mentions Malachi. And as I said, I don't see where there is anything other than allegory. Sorry, you simply have not convinced me.
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12-30-2005 12:48 AM 		Reply to: Message 224 by randman
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Re: Didn't see this before the edit
If he can hear it refers to folk hearing Jesus words.
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12-30-2005 1:04 AM 		Reply to: Message 226 by randman
12-30-2005 12:57 AM

Re: Didn't see this before the edit
I think that he was making general allusions at best, and that the more likely scenario is that through redaction, the authors of the New Testament quote mined. Malachi is perfectly clear, it does not apply to either John the Baptist or to Jesus.
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No as I have said, you are perfectly free to believe anything you want. There are even people that believe that the Flood or Biblical Exodus happened. I simply am not convinced that the places you mentioned show prophecy has a dual meaning. Jesus was only speaking allegorically.
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If you don't admit that, what other prophecy about Elijah coming do you think Jesus is referring to?
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None. He was not talking about any prophecy. He was simply comparing John to Elijah.
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