Jesus; the Torah, Nevi'im, and Psalms (Part 2)

quote:

---

I believe the Jewish interpretation is that it is of the house of David.
Not a place, but a family line.

---

How that can be possible, as we read that according the biblical books of Ezra and Nehemiah, those who returned from Babylonia were led by two men named Sheshbazzar and Zerubbabel. Both of these men were from the royal house of David. They were descendants of King Jehoiachin. Zerubbabel is also mentioned in the biblical books of the prophets Haggai and Zechariah, who prophesied in this period. But Sheshbazzar and Zerubbabel cease to be mentioned after the fifth chapter of Ezra. There is no report of the disappearance of these men, no explanation of what happened to the royal family. Rather, as with the ark, the monarchy simply ceases to be mentioned. Neither the biblical nor the archeological sources indicate what happened to the family of messiah, the descendants of David.. Ezra 1:8, 11; 2:2; 3:8; 4:2, 3; 5:2, 14, 16; Neh 7:7; 12:1, 47.. Haggai 1:1, 12, 14; 2:2, 4, 21, 23; Zech 4:6, 7,9, 10.This message has been edited by Checkmate, 05-11-2005 09:30 AM

---

"An uninformed person cannot conceptualize the essence of knowledge nor its sublimity. One who fails to conceptualize something, its significance will never become rooted in the heart."

quote:

---

Jesus was supposedly born in Bethleham, but he didn't rule Israel.

---

To be born in Bethleham should not be a criteria, because Jesus wasn't only one who was born in Bethleham before him, and after him and even around the same time when Jesus was born. In my opinion birth place of Jesus becomes irrelevant especially after Jesus failed to meet all allaged signs of prophecies.Also, what about Jesus of Jerusalem? What if he was one right one and Christians got the wrong guy to worship? There was a Jesus in Jerusalem during the same time as of Jesus of Nazareth.

---

"An uninformed person cannot conceptualize the essence of knowledge nor its sublimity. One who fails to conceptualize something, its significance will never become rooted in the heart."

quote:

---

so if a gospel has a man named jesus of nazareth going out of his way to be born in a town called bethlehem to fulfill a prophesy about the messiah coming from the family of bethlehem, then how can we trust this accurate? the motive in the writing is clearly to force-fit a misrepresentation of a prophesy. meaning it probably never happened.

---

Let us not forget that the same gospel/s also tells the following:KJV/Matthew: 2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets; He shall be called a Nazarene.The above statement is absolutely false, since we can’t find this statement in any of the books of the prophets. Jews also deny the validity of such prediction. According to the Jews it is simply a false claim. On the contrary they had a firm belief that no prophet would ever come from Galilee, not to say of Nazareth, as is expressly stated in the Gospel according to John:KJV/John: 7:52 They answered and said unto him, Art thou also of Galilee? Search, and look: for out of Galilee ariseth no prophet.Christian Bible itself testifies against Jesus, proving his falsehood.

---

"An uninformed person cannot conceptualize the essence of knowledge nor its sublimity. One who fails to conceptualize something, its significance will never become rooted in the heart."

quote:

---

You are working from mistranslations from 2500 years later. YOu are also working from a different cultural/social mindset.

---

After reading this am I supposed to believe that you have personally autographed copy of gospels signed by Jesus himself, a collectors' limited edition?I quoted your KJV, most commonly used Bible, but even if you come up with a different version will that make a difference? What my cultural and social mindset has to do with the Bible? Beside that why me, there are others who also share my views or vice versa? How come you didn't say this to them, but to me? So if a Jew or Christian question or reject Bible it is OK, but if a Muslim share those same view it becomes a foul (different cultural and social mindset)? How ironic! There is nothing in the New Testament, besides plagiarizing of the Old Testament that is put on the lips of Jesus by ghostwriters of the gospels.This message has been edited by Checkmate, 05-11-2005 02:02 PM

---

"An uninformed person cannot conceptualize the essence of knowledge nor its sublimity. One who fails to conceptualize something, its significance will never become rooted in the heart."