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Author Topic:   Jesus; the Torah, Nevi'im, and Psalms (Part 2)
purpledawn
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Message 205 of 233 (273882)
12-29-2005 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by randman
12-29-2005 1:11 PM


Prophecy Specifics
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For example, the passage in Isaiah referring to explicitly to Jesus' death works and fits far better for Jesus than for Israel which is how people saw it before. It is pretty darn well obvious it refers to Jesus, and since the identical passage was found in the Dead Seas scrolls, it's clear it was not changed after the fact either.
Don't just say it, show it. IOW, please address the specifics of the verse. List the book, verse, etc. and explain how the words pertain to Jesus.
Give the methods of the more spiritualized reading.
What supports a hidden prophecy other than that's just what Christians prefer to do?
As I asked before, which you really didn't answer:
How do you tell which prophecies will be fulfilled again?
How do you know which act is the final fulfillment of a prophecy?
I am asking these questions because without some rule of thumb to gage by, you leave those weaker in spirit open to fakes.
If your only support is that without the Holy Spirit, which you assume we don't have because we disagree with you, we can't understand, then what do you hope to contribute to this topic?

There are two ways of spreading light: to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it. -Edith Wharton

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purpledawn
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Posts: 4453
From: Indiana
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Message 232 of 233 (274205)
12-30-2005 1:39 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by randman
12-29-2005 4:46 PM


Authentic Prophecy
Unfortunately your reply to ramoss only answered a small portion of my questions in Message 205. I'd appreicate it if you would address the other questions concerning prophecy.
As far as Isaiah 53, it isn't one of the messianic prophecies I stated in Message 151 because Isaiah 53 is another one that has been argued to death and wastes posts.
Granted you found some Rabbi support for Isaiah 53 being messianic, but not in support of it describing Jesus 100%.
This link gives all the arguments that have been brought forward before concerning Isaiah 53 and how it does not describe Jesus.
So unless you have something new to add, personally I'm not interested in discussing Isaiah, but I am interested in answers to the other questions I raised.

There are two ways of spreading light: to be the candle or the mirror that reflects it. -Edith Wharton

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