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Jazzns
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Message 55 of 102 (282326)
01-29-2006 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Buzsaw
01-29-2006 2:14 PM


Re: If no-one has said this before...
He was not exactly right because the earth is cooling off. I think what he meant was that planets don't have a massive fusion reactor in the middle of them.
You really did grab ahold of some straws on this one.

No smoking signs by gas stations. No religion in the public square. The government should keep us from being engulfed in flames on earth, and that is pretty much it. -- Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

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Jazzns
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Message 61 of 102 (283420)
02-02-2006 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Evopeach
02-02-2006 11:45 AM


Re: Evos Ignorance must be to them sublime
3) There are no negentropy events in the universe which make use of unrectified, unconverted raw radiant or in general electromagnetic energy absent a process to convert the energy into a usuable form. It is this transmission, conversion and rectification process which in obedience to SLOT results in huge entropy production to finance the local negentropy effects, LOCALLY.
4) In the beginning there were no metabolic, photosynthetic or other processes available to convert raw solar energy into a form suitable for overcoming the free energy deficit associated with the most simplistic formation of amino acids from monomers, polymers from monomeres, proteins,enzymes, DNA etc. The spontaneous formation of the chemical processes of photosynthesis and matabolism is so phantasmagorically impossible ... even evos don't believe that yet that is required to make evolution happen.
That is the biggest load of complicated balloney I have ever heard. There are tons of chemical and I am willing to bet organic chemical reactions that only require heat. You don't need photosynthesis to store the energy in chemical bonds. It happens all the time in chemistry 1 labs in high schools all over the world.
It is unfathomable that either sane, mildly educated, or truthful people actually put forth this argument anymore.

No smoking signs by gas stations. No religion in the public square. The government should keep us from being engulfed in flames on earth, and that is pretty much it. -- Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

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Jazzns
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Message 76 of 102 (283460)
02-02-2006 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Evopeach
02-02-2006 2:25 PM


Re: Evos Ignorance must be to them sublime
Stick to the subject.
In case you were unaware, the topic was about the 2LoT. So um heat is totally on subject.
Heat energy may make or break chemical bonds depending on the free energy differences between reactants and products. Unfortunately for you every reaction of formation beyond diamers to monomers requires energy otherwise it doesn't go.
Totally irrelivant. If the sun's energy can cause a localized decrease in entropy in any way then the whole 2LoT prevents evolution/abiogenesis argument has failed.
You might also notice that amino acids in life processes that make up the proteins and enzymes that life is composed of and operates with and upon are mirror image forms that are entropically.........blah blah blah
I seem to remember someone saying, "Stick to the subject". We are not talk about randomness or probabilities of only left handed amino acids producing life. If you want to start a thread on amino acid handedness or ordering or complexity then please do.
I think this group is the crystal clear reason why we need NO Child Left Behind... brainwashed, unthinking sychophants of fairy-tale science.
You might be right if NCLB was actually an piece of legislation designed to support education. But that argument is also off topic. Start a thread if you like.
In the mean time please continue with your academic sounding tirade against people whos level of education you know nothing about. It is quite entertaining.

No smoking signs by gas stations. No religion in the public square. The government should keep us from being engulfed in flames on earth, and that is pretty much it. -- Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

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