Second Law of Thermodynamics

Yeah, you're right, the piling on is bad since everyone wants to take a swing at the home run ball, but we have to remember that turnover means there's always a new audience. Still, you make a good point.Hey, all evolutionists, I'd like to request that you all refrain from further replies unless PianoPrincess asks for clarification.I think any further replies should come from IDists.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Does anyone from the creationist/IDist side want to address the topic of the opening post, namely the second law of thermodynamics?

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

2LOT anyone? Anyone at all?I'll close this thread soon if it continues to draw only off-topic posts. The off-topic discussion is worthwhile, though, so someone might want to propose a thread.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Hi Evopeach,These are from your recent messages. This is from Message 70: This is from Message 72: This is from Message 74: And this is from the Forum Guidelines:

10. Always treat other members with respect. Argue the position, not the person. Avoid abusive, harassing and invasive behavior. Avoid needling, hectoring and goading tactics.

You're also straying pretty far from the thread's topic of 2LOT, and the Forum Guidelines request that you stay on-topic:

2. Please stay on topic for a thread. Open a new thread for new topics.

Your privileges will be restored when I receive email from you to Admin indicating that you understand the Forum Guidelines and will follow them in the future.This message has been edited by Admin, 02-02-2006 03:22 PM

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Entropy in information theory and entropy in thermodynamics can be shown to be closely related, even equivalent in a way (anyone that doubts this should visit Wikipedia), but looking at the opening post of this thread I don't think this is the discussion that was intended.The discussion you would like to have actually concerns whether information can increase by natural means, but you're doing it in a thread about 2LOT. I'm aware that you can advance arguments that they're the same thing, but given the level of the opening post, obviously by someone who doesn't understand 2LOT, changing the representation of 2LOT into an informational form is going to be terribly confusing.I think you should open a new thread to discuss informational entropic considerations on the creation of new information.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director

Am I a potted palm? Funny, I don't feel like a potted palm. I thought I was a mighty moderator, but maybe not. I thought members feared my every word, but maybe I'm actually just a houseplant! If I were really a moderator no member would ever consider ignoring even the merest hint that perhaps this isn't the right thread for this discussion.Seriously, folks, this thread was just the old familiar assertion that evolution violates 2LOT because everything runs down, not up. Evopeach is jumping from 2LOT to information theory because there are theoretical transformations between the two. That doesn't make them the same topic in this moderator's opinion. If someone would like to propose a new topic I'll try to approve it as soon as I can, but I'm closing this one down.

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--	Percy
	EvC Forum Director