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Someone who cares Member (Idle past 5779 days) Posts: 192 Joined: |
quote: Oh, it's normal for me. I go to forums and leave depending on how busy I am and what mood I'm in. Right now I'm in a mood for a nice evolution debate, so I came here in hopes of getting it! Hi!
quote: You're coming to me for information? Wow. Hey, did you know that it is proposed to make a whole sub class of fossil birds called Odontornithes- birds with teeth? Yep. One group is Ichthyornidae. Check out this site for more info on this example, it is an adult, and it is a bird, and it has teeth: Birds with Teeth Hey, and as for birds with claws on their wings, we have Hoatzin, and Emus, and probably more.
quote: Like I said above, there are creatures with characteristics from several groups of animals, but that doesn't make them transitional. We don't see any evolving "transitionals", but we see them complete, as Creationists would expect. "If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
like the platypus is a bird that feeds like a mammal,
No the platypus is a mammal, a weird one, but a mammal.Kingdom: Animalia Phylum: Chordata Class: Mammalia Order: Monotremata Family: Ornithorhynchidae Genus: Ornithorhynchus Species: anatinus Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given. Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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Someone who cares Member (Idle past 5779 days) Posts: 192 Joined: |
quote: Um, you must be lucky to live by a beach (that's what I am guessing from your post), but many of us don't, at least I don't. Nearest one is like 45 min. drive from here, so I'm not going to go out there right now. I can remember seeing seagulls, but no dino/birds flying around. But point is, dead birds float if they land in a lake. And, not all fossilized creatures lived near lagoons, how do you explain their fossilization? I say a big flood did it. "If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown
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Belfry Member (Idle past 5114 days) Posts: 177 From: Ocala, FL Joined: |
Hey, did you know that it is proposed to make a whole sub class of fossil birds called Odontornithes- birds with teeth? Yep. One group is Ichthyornidae. Check out this site for more info on this example, it is an adult, and it is a bird, and it has teeth: Birds with Teeth
What you have linked to there is another example of transitional fossils. As that website says:
quote:Do you know of any modern birds that have true teeth? SWC writes:
If you mean that there will be no non-functional "hopeful monster" transitionals, that's what evolutionary theory would predict, too. The idea that a transitional organism would be "incomplete" is a creationist strawman that is specifically NOT predicted by evolutionary theory.
We don't see any evolving "transitionals", but we see them complete, as Creationists would expect.
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Someone who cares Member (Idle past 5779 days) Posts: 192 Joined: |
quote: Taphonomy happens after a creature's remains are buried, if I'm not mistaken. But what I'm saying is that dust and wind aren't enough to cover up remains before bacteria eat them up and other creatures smash them, etc. I believe a big flood covered up MANY animals, fossils of which we find today. But this is getting a bit off topic. As for the other word, you're joking, right? "If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown
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Someone who cares Member (Idle past 5779 days) Posts: 192 Joined: |
There are no transitional fossils with partially evolving bones or something. I have yet to see a scale/feather transitional fossil... All I see is complete creatures, just like I would expect since God Created them. Isn't it a bit odd that in all our fossil finds we find not ONE transitional fossil that in undebateable? You would expect to find at least a few hundred, but can't even produce one that is undebateable...
"If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown
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Someone who cares Member (Idle past 5779 days) Posts: 192 Joined: |
How do you explain petrified trees found upright in the layers, protruding through "many different time periods", or a whale doing this? Doesn't a global flood and Creation better describe this?
And I'm going to quote here, "Fossils of animals, for example, are formed when animals are buried quickly and under tremendous pressure so that their bones or imprint are preserved in rock. If living things are not buried quickly and under enormous pressure, they will not be fossilized. Most of the many millions of fossils in the world are found in rock which has been affected by water, and, therefore, the fossils of these animals were formed as a result of the animals being buried suddenly and quickly under tremendous water pressure." (Ranganathan, B.G. Origins?, Carlisle, PA: The Banner of Truth Trust, 1988, p.27) "If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown
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Someone who cares Member (Idle past 5779 days) Posts: 192 Joined: |
quote: No, I explained in my above messages why creatures with features of several animal groups do not indicate transition. "If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown
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subbie Member (Idle past 1283 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
Isn't it a bit odd that in all our fossil finds we find not ONE transitional fossil that in undebateable? You would expect to find at least a few hundred, but can't even produce one that is undebateable... Considering the tactics that creos use in debating, (moving the goalposts, strawman, refusal to define terms) it would be remarkable if there were an "undebateable" transitional. This is particularly so since creos insist that a transistional fossil must exhibit features that are impossible. For example, your requirement that a fossil have "scale/feather" features is exactly the sort of fictitious gap creating dodge that I described in my message 143 above. Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5900 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Please understand, there are certain creatures with features of several groups of animals, like the platypus is a bird that feeds like a mammal, it has bird and mammal characteristics, that doesn't make it transitional. You didn't really just claim that platypus are birds, did you? abe: I see Dr. Jones beat me to this one. Hey, at least it shows people are reading your posts... Edited by Quetzal, : No reason given.
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Someone who cares Member (Idle past 5779 days) Posts: 192 Joined: |
quote: Already replied in above posts. There are fossilized birds with teeth. Please check above posts, I do not want to repeat myself over and over. "If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown
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Someone who cares Member (Idle past 5779 days) Posts: 192 Joined: |
quote: Maybe it's classified as a mammal. But it's not certain whether the platypus is a bird or a mammal or a reptile, because it has features of all. It's debateable. But that's getting off subject here... "If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown
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Belfry Member (Idle past 5114 days) Posts: 177 From: Ocala, FL Joined: |
SWC writes:
Please check below post (edit: by which I mean Message 154), I've replied to your replies. You're running behind. It's okay to skip ahead in situations like that. Already replied in above posts. There are fossilized birds with teeth. Please check above posts, I do not want to repeat myself over and over. Edited by Belfry, : No reason given. Edited by Belfry, : No reason given.
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Someone who cares Member (Idle past 5779 days) Posts: 192 Joined: |
quote: Whether or not it's transitional is debateable, but point is that there are fossilized birds with teeth. This doesn't automatically make them transitional, you won't say the platypus is transitional because it has characteristics of reptiles, mammals and birds, would you?
quote: Not yet. Did a search, only thing I found was a mutant chicken with teeth like an alligator, but that's a mutant...and it never hatched...
quote: But if you examine the fossil finds, you will see all animals and plants complete, with no evolving parts, like scale/feathers. "If you’re living like there is no God you’d better be right!" - Unknown
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 6.9 |
But it's not certain whether the platypus is a bird or a mammal or a reptile, because it has features of all
No its a mammal.1. War blooded 2. Fur 3. Tribosphenic molars 4. Ear bones incorporated into the skull 5. Lactation It's a weird mammal no doubt, but it is a mammal. Just a monkey in a long line of kings. If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! *not an actual doctor
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