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Author Topic:   Revealing the Truth to People (false signs and wonders)
jar
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Message 5 of 25 (355882)
10-11-2006 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by riVeRraT
10-11-2006 7:58 AM


What you need to ask yourself
is why are so many Evangelicals and Fundamentalists so easily fooled? Why do people believe the nonsense put forward by the Carl Baughs, Ron Wyatts, Gene Scotts, Kent Hovinds as well as all of the prayer hankies and videos and prayer cards and all of the other absolutely silly stuff that the televangelists peddle?
If you really want to help your brothers, what needs to be addressed? Is it possible to debunk each claim individually? If you debunk a peddlers con game, like the orbs being peddled by Patricia King, why is that not an automatic flag to all that warns folk off from the gemstone scam?
How do you help your brethern develop BS detectors?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
Member (Idle past 425 days)
Posts: 34026
From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 10 of 25 (355970)
10-11-2006 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by riVeRraT
10-11-2006 5:45 PM


Re: Change churches
It's the other people in the church that are being gullable. I am slightly fearful of telling them it's fake.
That is reasonable. The problem I have is with your Pastor. You said:
The head Pastor of my church completely agrees with me, and immediatly stopped showing pictures of orbs, once I presented him the facts.
The problem is that he just stopped using that example. He did NOT speak out to the members and tell them the truth, and did not start a class and sermons on critical thinking and bullshit detection.
We need more and more of the Christian Clergy to speak out against the liars and conmen that seem so common in the US Evangelistic and Fundamentalist movements. He is supposed to lead the flock, to guide them. Simply stopping using one example isn't the answer. Our Clergy needs to be actively teaching folk how to detect such nonsense.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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From: Texas!!
Joined: 04-20-2004


Message 18 of 25 (356118)
10-12-2006 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by riVeRraT
10-12-2006 9:32 AM


Re: Change churches
I guess a good question is, should it be the churches job to teach people science?
That would certainly depend on the capabilities of the church and congregation. In most cases I would say that the answer should be no.
The church can certainly teach folk to question though.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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