Information Theory and Intelligent Design.

That's right, folks. ID was invented by a lawyer.It's not a scientific theory. It's a legal strategy.All those who are suprised by this, stand on your heads... Ah. I thought so.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

Good to see you back on the boards, Rob. We were getting desperately low on our Minimum Daily Adult Requirement of Self-Dramatizing Fundy Paranoia.You missed the point, though, even as you provided evidence for it and conceded it. Here it is again.ID is not a scientific theory. It is a legal strategy.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

The bad science in your quotes has been exposed by our colleagues.In response, you have made no attempt to mount a rebuttal defending the scientific merits of these statements. Instead you changed the subject at once to philosophy, emotion, and morality infused with heavy doses of bombast.You therefore concede defeat on the science.----AbE:I posted this before I saw your response to Percy. Looks like you're trying to hang in there.I'm interested in seeing if you can sustain any kind of focus. No one will put ID in a science class on the basis of rhetoric and bombast. Biology isn't a tent revival. You have to address the science. Edited by Archer Opterix, : added material.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

Then you need a new quote for your file.

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It doesn't matter whether you're selling Jesus, or Buddha, or civil rights, or how to make money in real estate with no money down. That doesn't make you a human being. It makes you a marketing rep.

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If you want to talk to somebody honestly, as a human being, ask him about his kids. Find out what his dreams are. Just to find out. For no other reason. Because as soon as you lay your hands on a conversation to steer it, it's not a conversation anymore. It's a pitch. And you're not a human being. You're a marketing rep.

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- Roger Rueff, The Big Kahuna

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

Leviathan. Job 41.Interesting image, Rob.Leviathan is an unassailable creature. A creature God uses to put the proud in their place. A creature the wise respect.

Will it speak soft words to you?
Will it make a covenant with you
to be taken as your servant for ever?
Will you play with it as with a bird,
or will you put it on a leash for your girls?
Will traders bargain over it?
Will they divide it up among the merchants?
Can you fill its skin with harpoons,
or its head with fishing-spears?
Lay hands on it;
think of the battle; you will not do it again!
Any hope of capturing it will be disappointed;
were not even the gods overwhelmed at the sight of it?
No one is so fierce as to dare to stir it up.
Who can stand before it?
Who can confront it and be safe?
”under the whole heaven, who?

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When it raises itself up the gods are afraid;
at the crashing they are beside themselves.
Though the sword reaches it, it does not avail,
nor does the spear, the dart, or the javelin.
It counts iron as straw,
and bronze as rotten wood.
The arrow cannot make it flee;
slingstones, for it, are turned to chaff.
Clubs are counted as chaff;
it laughs at the rattle of javelins...
On earth it has no equal,
a creature without fear.
It surveys everything that is lofty;
it is king over all that are proud.

This is how science appears to you after you attempt to contest it?I well believe it. You preach to yourself well.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

Rob admits that his 'truth' feels flimsy and useless to him right now. No doubt the feeling is accurate.I hope he takes the advice given in Job: remember the encounter. It would be stupid to keep repeating it.But you make an excellent point. Science is hardly a monster just because some people feel scorched.Phat shared an interesting experience with Rob on another thread. He said he learned that science shows him windmills where he had been taught to see dragons.Science is a practical thing. It only looks like a dragon if you try to wage war on it with a javelin made of toothpick and a shield made of tissue paper. It's wildly unrealistic to think you're going to march into a forest with three quotes from the likes of Dembski and, armed only with that, beat up all the natural sciences. The mission is suicide. All the bravado in the world can't cover this.It's never a pleasant experience to learn one has been sold a bill of goods. Yet this discussion makes it obvious to me that those ID statements were never even meant to pass muster with scientists. They were intended for the ears of lay persons--people with prefab ideas who just want reassurance in a plausibly scientific-looking package.There's a reason why these same ID people did a disappearing act last year when summoned to court to show their math. It's the same reason Rob now considers doing a disappearing act here.Rob, as usual, takes the unpleasantness of his learning experience personally. He views it as persecution. Things won't improve until he stops equating any poorly understood argument or flimsy idea with a silver bullet called 'absolute truth.' Clarity starts with owning one's own ideas. Reality never has an obligation to cooperate.Will we ever see this kind of clarity from Rob? I rather doubt it. But time will tell.__Edited by Archer Opterix, : html.Edited by Archer Opterix, : tinkering.Edited by Archer Opterix, : typo.Edited by Archer Opterix, : typo.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.