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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
See Irreducible Complexity, Information Loss and Barry Hall's experiments
Information intentionally deleted is regained by evolution. Thus evolution can result in an increase in information. Case closed. Enjoy. compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Abiogenesis inevitably boils down to chemical evolution within the natural laws; What do you think??? I think that was a massive moving of the goal-posts, and that if you want to believe that life began by some miracle 3.5 billion years ago, that you are free to do so, but that also means it has then proceeded by purely natural means, with evolution of all life forms from that first life form. That evolution involved "adding" of "information" in the same manner as was shown for the e-coli bacteria, and thus information is no barrier to such evolution of all life from that first life form.
Case closed? Nah... You are putting up "fancy" against fact and you are voting for fancy. that is not faith, it is delusion.
Kenyon on ”describing the complexity of a living cell’. Aldous Huxley: Mathematical and philosophical models of reality are not reality. Thus when they conflict with reality, the conflict is with the model and not reality -- they are wrong. It is really that simple Rob. No matter what you throw at reality, you still need to deal with the reality or you are in a delusional state. The reality is that the earth is old and that life evolves and has evolved. You dodged the age of the earth issue last time so that you can pretend it doesn't exist. That too is a form of delusion. Try a dose of reality at Age Correlations and an Old Earth: Version 1 No 3 (formerly Part III) That's like Subbie's argument that you start with DNA and then add mutation. So what... how do you get a DNA molecule to begin with? Look at the research and see what the possibilities are. Do we know for sure? Of course not. But we also do NOT know that it was NOT possible. See RAZD - Building Blocks of Life for some of those possibilities.
Abiogenesis ... ... still leaves us with 3.5 billion years of evolution as the best explanation for the diversity of life we see on this planet. And your argument otherwise is refuted and you have totally failed to substantiate a single portion of it.
Case closed? Pretty much, by your own failure to reply substantiatively, as well as the evidence that refutes your argument. Enjoy. compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
because you guys are so brutal. Truth is brutal.
I can't reason with you, because you reject reason. And I know that you will completely disagree with that. So what's the point? It not worth arguing. I only put it out there so that those who have eyes will see. The alternative that you won't confront is that you are wrong. That you are the one with closed eyes, that you refuse to confront the evidence - evidence for evolution, evidence for an old earth, etc. compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
But you are not the one who believes in truth. You think all truth is relative no? Which means your statement is itself relative. Which just proves your assumptions are wrong again. I believe there is truth, but that what we can know about it is bounded on one side by what we do not know, and on the other side by what we know to be false. That is not relative. The earth is old. We know that it is at least 4.55 billion years old, how much older we do not know. We know that it cannot be much older as the solar system is not that much older. You believe the earth is young: this is false. Life on this planet is old. We know that it is at least 3.5 billion years old, how much older we do not know. We know that it cannot be much older because the earth is not that much older. You believe life is young: this is false. Evolution has, does and will proceed to diversify life on this planet. We know that by whatever metric you choose to measure "information" that it has, does and will "increase" (as well as decrease or remain the same) by purely natural means during the course of evolution. You believe it cannot "increase": this is false.
Your information theory is frankly illogical. Your radar for detecting truth is broken. You believe things that are contradicted by evidence. That is not truth, it is not faith, it is delusion. Only by confronting evidence do you find the bounds of truth, not by hiding from it. The "information" is there -- all you need to do is look at it.
I know that means nothing to you... Quoting biblical verses is not evidence, and is rather an admission of defeat on a science thread, when you are supposed to substantiate your position with evidence. All this shows is that you would rather hide behind a convenient self-comforting quote than confront reality. It's your security blanket. Enjoy. compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Message 30
compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
It's a matter of logic, not science.
If all{A} = all{B} then all-not{A} = all-not{B} If all{A} = some{B} then all-not{A} ≠ all-not{B} as some {B} already = not{A} And you cannot derive which parts are {B} and which are not{B}. Enjoy. compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
but if all A=some B, then B is less than A, No, the other way around all{A} fits inside but does not cover all{B}, so some{B} is outside {A} and is not{A}.
Just asking, because in breeding of animals, that is often how it works, take zebra finches. The missing information is not discernible except through color, but the finch is still a whole finch. But what you can't tell is whether there is missing information that would have produced the color, or added information that blocks the color from being expressed or that changes the colors expressed. So you have not{A} - no color - but you don't know if you have {B} or not{B}. {abe} you also have the issue of recessive and dominant genes, so you could have recessive color that will show up again in later generations. In this case the "information" is neither lost nor gained.{/abe} Edited by RAZD, : [abe] compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Such a scene is absolutism, condemning absolutism. It is mankind killing the very thing that is the essence of his humanity. Look in the mirror Rob, for what you say about others applies in spades to you. How do you know that YOU are not the blind one? What we have here is a problem in perceptions of reality. The question to you is how do you validate your perceptions? Let us discuss this on a thread dedicated to this problem - Perceptions of Reality quote: How do you validate one person's perceptions of truth versus another's? See you there eh? Message 157 Enjoy. compare Fiocruz Genome and fight Muscular Dystrophy with Team EvC! (click) we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share.
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