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riVeRraT
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Message 299 of 303 (403807)
06-05-2007 8:49 AM
Reply to: Message 290 by ringo
06-04-2007 7:58 PM


It still comes down to the same bottom line: if anybody can get into heaven without believing in God, then beliefs don't count.
How do you qualify that?
It is not a black and white issue.
That is why I keep telling you it is relative, and up to God. I know in my heart if I was to deny God at this point, I might not make it into heaven.
Take for instance when Jesus told the disciples about letting the least of my bretheren in, you have let me in. To me that implies that you do not need to actually let Jesus in. But they all believed in Him, and why didn't they ask Him why?
I am not also completely closed to the idea, that what Jesus did is a key for all who do good, to get into heaven.
But I know what it is for me, at this point in time.
Some of the most empty people I've ever met were professing Christians.
You know, there are Christians, and there are christians.
IMO 80% of christians in America, do not know the Holy Spirit. They would have a good reason to be empty.
If every christian in America tithed, there would be enough money to take care of all the world hunger, with surplus. Just how many christians are there?
Letting go of "religion" is one of the most liberating and satisfying experiences that a person can have.
Oh yea baby.
Don't you be guilty of confusing God with religion.
So, when you told me I was contradicting myself, which contradiction were you not disagreeing with?
That you are making getting into heaven by acts, and no faith, an absolute.

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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 446 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 300 of 303 (403809)
06-05-2007 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 295 by ICANT
06-04-2007 10:26 PM


Re: Re-Evidence
I would still like to know RR's trump scripture.
I agree with ringo and jar, but acts alone is not an absolute to me.
I agree that it is all how we define the word "believe" in the bible.
Believing, is an action,
Being saved is an action,
Being Christian, is an action.
But an action may not be any of those, according to God. According to us, it is just goodness, and not belief.
Jesus said many will say (Lord Lord) and do (drive out demons, and heal) in His name, but they won't make it to heaven.

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 302 of 303 (403811)
06-05-2007 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 301 by Equinox
06-05-2007 8:58 AM


Re: The Absolute Moralirty nonsense yet again.
I thought you were nice.
And in general, I feel this was one of the nicer threads, if not the most nice since comin here.
I enjoyed it throughly, and learned from it.

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