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Author Topic:   What is needed for creationists to connect evidence to valid conclusions
RAZD
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Message 137 of 147 (447132)
01-08-2008 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by arachnophilia
01-07-2008 8:47 PM


Re: The Belief Stops Here
2x dx= x2+ c
evaluate at x=x1 and at x=x2 and take the difference to determine the input between x1 and x2
Δ{x2+ c}(x= x1→x2) = x12 + c - x22 - c = x12 - x22
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Message 143 of 147 (448491)
01-13-2008 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by arachnophilia
01-12-2008 11:11 PM


Re: The Belief Stops Here
oy, that's what i get for trying to be funny.
Actually I thought it was a pretty good analogy
2x dx= x2 + god
evaluate at x=x1 and at x=x2 and take the difference to determine the input between x1 and x2
Δ{x2 + god}(x= x1→x2) = x12 + god - x22 - god = x12 - x22
Where x22 - god = x12 - x22 is what we can determine with science but we can't solve for the exact solution
2x dx= x2 + god
So, unless we can solve for the god factor, what we can do with science is limited to getting from x1 to x2.
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Message 146 of 147 (448978)
01-15-2008 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by Quetzal
01-15-2008 10:29 AM


Re: Amount of Evidence
In what sense, O' Multiple Doggish One, do evilutionists "fall flat" on the theory?
Why, when they fail to answer posts like this one in the expected manner.
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Message 147 of 147 (448991)
01-15-2008 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by ThreeDogs
01-15-2008 10:19 AM


Re: Amount of Evidence
Are you talking evolution or origins? ... Other than the latter had to happen for the former to proceed.
Okay, for the sake of the argument, let's assume that the universe was created 13.7 billion years ago, complete with all the "natural laws" that science determines to exist, and in absolutely no need for further tinkering ... a Deist creation.
How does this mean that evolution cannot proceed?
If - on the other hand - all you mean is that there must have been an origin for evolution to proceed (natural OR supernatural doesn't matter) then all you have done is stated something rather trivial: we exist, therefore there was some kind of origin.
You have no prove for origin,...
Nobody has a proof for origin. Therefore this is not a special criticism of science.
What we can do is start with the present and work backwards through the evidence to see what we can understand, and what concepts are invalid.
We can show that the earth is not flat for instance. Most people will agree with this, however there are some "flat-earthers" that have trouble accepting this fact, and this comes back to the topic -- how do you connect evidence to valid conclusions?
How do you validate concepts and ideas? Do you test them against evidence of objective reality or do you compare them to previous concepts, preconceptions?
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