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Message 4 of 54 (451155)
01-26-2008 3:01 PM

Reply to: Message 1 by dogrelata
01-26-2008 12:43 PM

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Hi dogelata,

dogrelata writes:

I suggest that Paley's analogy points not to intelligent design, as he intended, but unwittingly to the process of evolution via natural selection. That is, apply mutant 'left field' ideas to the evolved, accumulated knowledge base, see which work and which don't, update the knowledge base and move on.

dogrelata writes:

Take an example of something like the modern car or automobile. Its lineage can be traced back to vehicles such as the more humble Roman chariot and beyond. Whilst these two vehicles share some common traits, the technologies employed are literally eons apart. But what if we compare this year's car to last year's model. The design differences are going to be minor, as car design tends to advance in small increments.

So from these statements am I supposed to assume that the van in my driveway just happened by chance.

I really prefer to believe that over the last 100+ years many designers, engineers, and manufacturers worked together to give me the sophisticated piece of equipment setting in my driveway.

Now as far as the stone age man and the watch.
If he had the knowledge to build the watch. Where would he buy the material to build it out of?
Then what would he use it for? So he would not be late for his Dr.'s appointment?

Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 6 of 54 (451181)
01-26-2008 4:24 PM

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01-26-2008 3:58 PM

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Hi dogrelata,

=dogrelataAgain, follow your argument through. Paley insisted that complex design is evidence of an intelligent designer, but you make the point that it’s evidence of a whole lot more than that.

How so?

I mearly stated that I thought my van was designed by someone who knew what they were doing. The engineer figured out how to make it work. The manufacturers made the parts. Then somebody had to put it together.

Now if one person did all this he would be some smart fellow wouldn't you agree?

I doubt very seriously if you could take all the proper parts for an automobile and put them in a shop. Take a bunch of first graders and tell them to put it together and them put a working automobile together.

BTW I think the idea of Creation ID as now touted is stupid.
But I do believe in creation by God.

Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 11 of 54 (451230)
01-26-2008 8:48 PM

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01-26-2008 5:54 PM

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Hi dwise1,

So there is far more to design than coming up with a design: the thing has to actually get built.

You quoted down to my How so?

The next paragraph in Message 6 says:

quote:
I mearly stated that I thought my van was designed by someone who knew what they were doing. The engineer figured out how to make it work. The manufacturers made the parts. Then somebody had to put it together.

I am glad to see you say it did take design.

Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 12 of 54 (451231)
01-26-2008 8:51 PM

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01-26-2008 5:20 PM

Re- You created him

Hi dogrelata,

dogrelata writes:

Well it’s your god, you created it, so I guess it’s just as smart as you want it or need it to be.

I will introduce you to Him one day.

Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 13 of 54 (451232)
01-26-2008 8:59 PM

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01-26-2008 5:06 PM

Re-design

Hi Infixion,

Infixion writes:

I hope this helps.

My first van was a 1969 dodge van.
There is a lot of difference from then until now.

But I remember in drafting class in 1952 there was a couple of guys drawing pictures of vehicles like my van in the driveway.

Maybe they are still drawing them.

Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 15 of 54 (451250)
01-26-2008 10:26 PM

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Re: Re-design

Hi RAZD,

RAZD writes:

It would teach you humility and a sense of adventure.

I forgot all about what that monster looked like we had two of those for church buses.

Thanks for the memories.

Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 22 of 54 (451323)
01-27-2008 9:08 AM

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01-27-2008 7:48 AM

Re: Re- You created him

Hi dogrelata,

But if we knew the outcome of the game before it was played, how much fun would there be in that?

OK I will wait until after the game is over then introduce you to Him.

Have fun,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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