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Author Topic:   The wonder of science vs. the banality of creation
Sky-Writing
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Message 44 of 64 (503894)
03-23-2009 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by shalamabobbi
03-22-2009 10:05 PM


Re: no law of nature evolves
If we're discussing the rest of the cosmos only, then this doesn't resolve the YEC problem for radiological dating on earth.
I can't argue YEC points because I'm not a YEC. The Week of Creation may have taken place some 10,000 years ago. But it didn't start out with an earth, effectively at age 0. Nor was anything else created at age 0. So I think it's pointless for YEC's to argue proof for an age 0 if it wasn't at that age when created. What would a rock look like at age 0?. What would plants and animals look like at age 0? What would earth's land masses look like at age 0?
But if it helps them feel good about life, let them play. Just like Evos. Everybody feels they have to know where they came from.
Some can accept it, and some need to prove it.
(There is nothing wrong with NOT being a scientist, by the way.)
Look at the amount of money spent on SETI. JUST to prove that there is more life than what the scriptures reveal. Scientifically speaking, the task is over, but the project refuses to die.
Edited by -Sky-, : No reason given.

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Sky-Writing
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Message 50 of 64 (503905)
03-23-2009 10:52 AM
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03-23-2009 4:00 AM


Re: Law of Nature
Personally I think even the notion of the "why" is a misconceived folly.
How insightful. All that scientific curiosity and wonder gone in a flash.

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Sky-Writing
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Message 52 of 64 (503907)
03-23-2009 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by NosyNed
03-23-2009 10:12 AM


Re: Newton's GodDidIt
Not an authoritative source by any means, but well said...
In the past people such as Keppler and Newton had no trouble giving God the glory for their work and for the order they found in the universe. They did not worship science but they used science to discover more about the world that they believed God had made. They did not see that their religion was interfering with their science, simply that it formed the basis for believing that man was indeed a rational being, that the universe was created by a rational being and could therefore be investigated in a rational way. This was for them a logical deduction.
Should religion restrict rational thought or scientific inquiry from pursuing its own conclusion
Edited by Admin, : Shorten long link.

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Sky-Writing
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Message 53 of 64 (503908)
03-23-2009 11:38 AM
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03-23-2009 12:01 AM


Only because their search for truth didn't end with the back cover of whatever sacred text they followed. This, of course, is what distinguishes them from cdesign proponents of various flavors.
Yet that's exactly what they were, Intelligent Design proponents of various flavors.

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Sky-Writing
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Message 54 of 64 (503910)
03-23-2009 11:51 AM
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03-23-2009 10:12 AM


Re: Newton's GodDidIt
Now maybe someone will show us how a specific religious belief had the opposite result.
That would be a list of every founding member of modern science and that their religious beliefs being the mental foundation of their research.
Your counter would be anything they had written in criticism of their "religion". Galileo would have been one example you could use if he was actually changing his own belief system. But I don't think he bought into the Churches stand in the first place. I certainly don't believe the teachings from my own home church.

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Sky-Writing
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Message 60 of 64 (503938)
03-23-2009 4:15 PM
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03-23-2009 1:17 PM


Galileo looked at the evidence and came to conclusions in direct contradiction with with bible.
There is no "direct contradiction" today, so there was none back then either. His conflict was with the church LEADERS who rarely cracked open a Bible themselves. Still a common problem in many denominations.

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Sky-Writing
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Message 61 of 64 (503941)
03-23-2009 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Dr Adequate
03-23-2009 1:33 PM


And here are some people who are not.
Other than church sermons, what have they produced?
(Commonalities in the use, materials, design, color, shape and instruction booklets of the three objects on the left clearly indicate their common primordial origin.)
Edited by -Sky-, : Childish observations.
Edited by -Sky-, : No reason given.

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