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onifre
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Message 130 of 151 (506015)
04-21-2009 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by Taz
04-21-2009 4:10 PM


Re: Smoking while pregnant
Spoken like a true anarchist
For a second I read "antichrist".
Which, actually, either one is fine.

"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 131 of 151 (506016)
04-21-2009 6:54 PM


By the way, this is the "smoking" thread so Happy 420 to everyone!!!
I hope everyone enjoyed

"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

  
onifre
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Message 134 of 151 (506025)
04-21-2009 8:49 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by Straggler
04-21-2009 7:44 PM


Re: Smoking while pregnant
The law and the public awareness campaign seem to have gone hand in hand.
The public awareness would have sufficed. There is no need for that to be a law outside of common sense.
In Britain at least the public awareness campaign was a government campaign (I don't know about the US)
There was no "campaign" to teach the public in the US, we simply see the ads for it being a law and you'll be fined if you don't adhere.
Awareness comes from driving schools, adults who tell you to put it on, and, oh yeah, common sense.
It seems somewhat contradictory to suggest that the primary reason for making the law was financial when the same body that would benefit from the financial result of people breaking this law was responsible for successfully encouraging people to adhere to that particular law for safety reasons by means of a successful public awareness campaign.
We don't have government organized campaigns here in the US that teach us about using seatbelts, we have campaigns that just show us it's a law and you'll be punished for breaking it. It's all about the fear tactic. In fact the ad is "Buckle up, it's the LAW".
Here's the link to California's "awareness" campaign: Buckle up it's the law
Perhaps the law reflects the governments lack of confidence in it's citizens to be taught and to learn and understand. So instead of teaching people they just make a law.
If they changed the law in your country would you stop using the seatbelts and incourage your children to stop using it as well?

"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 136 of 151 (506027)
04-21-2009 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by Straggler
04-21-2009 9:01 PM


Re: Smoking while pregnant
Neither one would have been as effective alone as without the other.
Fair enough. So do we just keep the law or eventually say "hey, you folks seem to have it down already" - "Cars have airbags, seatbelts, all the necessary outer protection, I think the law can be deactivated, it served it's purpose" - which was of course to teach safety, yes?
Do you think they'll get rid of it if we show we "get it"?
No.
That is my point; you know the safety of it, you understand what happens if you don't use it. You were brought up, like me, without seatbelts yet you "get it". If you would do it without it being a law then the law didn't effect you one way or the other.
Also when I was a kid there was no law. And I never wore a seatbelt!!!! In fact my dad's knackered old excuse for a car did not even have seatbelts!!!!!
I would stand in the back seat and hold my parents shoulder while they drove, and smoked, and my dad would have a beer on the way to the beach. Now 2 of those are against the law and one of them may soon be also...go figure.
Will you not agree that the law has forced the mandatory inclusion of safety features in cars if nothing else......?
I will agree that in the area of automotive regulations and safety, the auto manufacturers have really stepped up and taken the proper measures to insure the publics safety when driving their vehicles.
Maybe it's so they won't be liable, maybe it's driven by the free market and if you want to compete it MUST include the safety features, or, perhaps it has been consumer demand for a better product, what ever it may have been, that is one area where they've done an excellent job.
The seatbelt law seems like an after thought, though.
But the laws forcing the auto makers to step up their safety on the vehicles is one that I can support.

"I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks
"I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky

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onifre
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Message 148 of 151 (511864)
06-12-2009 11:47 AM


Found an interesting article about Phillip Morris and it's support of a new Bill...and the real reason why they support it.
Smoke Signals: Why a Tobacco Giant Is Backing a Tough New Antismoking Bill
A couple of quotes...
quote:
The U.S. Senate on Thursday struck the most devastating legislative blow in history to Big Tobacco, giving the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) authority over the industry. The new bill, which passed in the House in April, includes tough new restrictions on advertising like allowing only black-and-white text ads in magazines with substantial youth readerships, mandates that manufacturers prove or stop using claims like "light" and "low tar," bans flavored cigarettes (except menthol) and makes provisions for large, graphic warning labels. So why, then, is tobacco giant Philip Morris, unlike its industry brethren, celebrating the unprecedented oversight?
When Senator John McCain introduced FDA regulatory legislation in 1998, the company spent a reported $100 million successfully fighting it. But since then, Philip Morris has had a crucial realization. With 50% of the U.S. tobacco market already safely in the company's pocket - and more than 50% of 18- to 25-year-old smokers loyal to its top brand, Marlboro - restrictive legislation will effectively lock in its market dominance, preventing any competitors from taking a bite out of Philip Morris' very lucrative business.
But there's another key reason Philip Morris lobbied hard for FDA regulation, aligning itself with strange bedfellows like the Campaign for Smoke-Free Kids, the American Lung Association and longtime antismoking crusaders Senator Ted Kennedy and Representative Henry Waxman. "Philip Morris wants the public-health community to join them in finding the holy grail: the safe cigarette," says Gregory Connolly, a tobacco expert and professor at the Harvard School of Public Health. Simply put, figuring out how to produce a less harmful tobacco product and getting an FDA seal of approval could open up a whole new, potentially huge consumer market.
Enjoy
- Oni

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