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Author Topic:   Where Faith Comes From in the "moderate" Christian religions
slevesque
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Message 20 of 132 (513188)
06-26-2009 4:41 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Dr Adequate
06-25-2009 10:29 PM


In the same way, the question facing someone contemplating becoming a Christian is not whether every word in the Bible is accurate, inspired, et cetera, but only whether the documents have sufficient historicity to justify the central claims of Christianity, as summarized, for example, in the so-called "Apostles' Creed". If the documents available to us are really sufficient to establish that Jesus died for your sins and rose from the dead, then the fact that Genesis is, at best, an allegory, would not negate that proposition, to which it bears no logical relationship.
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evolution destroys utterly and finally the very reason Jesus’ earthly life was supposedly made necessary. Destroy Adam and Eve and the original sin, and in the rubble you will find the sorry remains of the son of god. Take away the meaning of his death. If Jesus was not the redeemer who died for our sins, and this is what evolution means, then Christianity is nothing!
Bozarth, G. Richard, "The Meaning of Evolution," American Atheist (February 1978), page 30
Substituting the historical view of creation by evolution (by viewing genesis as allegorical) has unsurmountable for christianity ...
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slevesque
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Message 79 of 132 (513487)
06-29-2009 6:36 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by Peg
06-29-2009 6:23 AM


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I'll have to quote Einstein on all this:
... The theory determines what you can observe
It's not on the internet, but it is from a conversation with Heisenberg and I'll EDIT and transcript the complete quote when I get back home. (I don't have my book here)
PS If I'm not mistaken, Karl Popper advances the same thing in his book 'The logic of scientific discovery'
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slevesque
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Message 82 of 132 (513534)
06-29-2009 4:02 PM
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06-29-2009 10:40 AM


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I was not talking the fact that evolution is falsifiable or not.
But that in science, in reality, the theory very often comes before the observation. Just as Einstein said: 'The theory determines what we can observe'.
Here is the complete quote:
Perhaps I could put it more diplomatically by saying that is may be heuristically useful to keep in mind what one has actually observed. But on principle, it is quite wrong to try founding a theory on observable magnitudes alone. In reality, the very opposite happens. It is the theory which decides what we can observe.
Werner Heisenberg, Physics and beyond, trans. Arnold J. Pomerans (New York Harper & Row, Publishers, 1971), 63
In regards to Popper, he says that scientist do not work according to the scientific method, because to say you can start with observations but without a theory is absurd.
Maybe we could start a thread about this in ''Is it science''

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slevesque
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Message 86 of 132 (513620)
06-30-2009 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by Dr Adequate
06-30-2009 7:06 AM


Re: The Scientific Method
Yeah, maybe start a thread in the 'Is it science' section

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