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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4
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What has this to do with evolution of the musculoskeletal system?
Could you please stop posting if you have nothing to say about the topic? --Percy
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Flatland Junior Member (Idle past 4475 days) Posts: 10 Joined: |
ICDESIGN writes: I'll go toe-to-toe with you any day of the week sonny boy.As I have stated before; being smart isn't so much as how much knowledge you have as it is coming to the right conclusions with the knowledge that you do have. As far as I can see all of you Darwinists fail miserably in this department! As I also stated before; all a person needs to refute ToE is common sense because ToE fails to pass the simplest of common sense tests.
You and common sense obviously do not get along at all... Edited by Flatland, : No reason given.
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3992 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 7.5 |
Flatland writes: ICDESIGN writes: As I also stated before; all a person needs to refute ToE is common sense because ToE fails to pass the simplest of common sense tests. You and common sense obviously do not get along at all... I dunno--there's a good reason his sense is called common. I know there's a balance, I see it when I swing past. -J. Mellencamp Real things always push back.-William James
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derwood Member (Idle past 1906 days) Posts: 1457 Joined: |
quote: How did erosion manage to create a hole with the exact right volume to hold the same volume of water when it rains?
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4828 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
derwood writes:
Your equating a hole created by the force of running water with joints in the skeletal system? How did erosion manage to create a hole with the exact right volume to hold the same volume of water when it rains?"What do we got for him behind curtain #3 Johnny? Wank wank wank waaahhh. Twooo donkey's"
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derwood Member (Idle past 1906 days) Posts: 1457 Joined: |
quote:No, I am establishing the naivete of your query.
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derwood Member (Idle past 1906 days) Posts: 1457 Joined: |
quote: What does 26 bones, 31 joints and 20 muscles in the foot have to do with Creation? Why 26 bones? Superstitious pagan numerology is rampant in the bible, so why not 7 bones? Why not 40? Why not a number divisible by 3? Edited by derwood, : No reason given.
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Hi ICdesign,
When last you were here we were talking about new functions/features that are possessed by apes but not by fish. My Message 286 is the last message in that discussion. --Percy
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4828 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
Hi Percy,
Percy writes:
Yeah, I know. The only reason I posted on that thread today is because I had a fresh reply. I have thought about picking up where we left off but haven't got a renewed motivation for it yet. I was in the frame of mind back then. When I started that thread I asked the question of how all the correct bones, joints and muscles ended up in the in the correctly needed positions and your response was "pretty much by natural selection" I believe was your response (without going back and looking). And of course I heard all the typical "who says those are the correct parts and positions" smoke and mirror responses. When last you were here we were talking about new functions/features that are possessed by apes but not by fish. My Message 286 is the last message in that discussion. When I am ready to spend the time debating this subject again I would like to pitch my tent back at this point because none of those answers even came close to satisfying the question in my opinion.Good hearing from you, IC
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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When I started that thread I asked the question of how all the correct bones, joints and muscles ended up in the in the correctly needed positions and your response was "pretty much by natural selection" Because that's how it happened. Do you have a refutation of that position or not?
When I am ready to spend the time debating this subject again I would like to pitch my tent back at this point because none of those answers even came close to satisfying the question in my opinion. Could you explain why you find natural selection an unsatisfying answer? Talking to you is akin to talking to a very small child. Imagine that I showed you a videotape of 10 random people from off the street. I explained that I had a miracle ten-minute basketball training regimen that would train anyone at all to have perfect shot accuracy, and then I showed you the tape - 10 people randomly selected off the street, a shot of them flipping through my book (available on Amazon!), and then the amazing part - the rest of the videotape is each one of those 10 people making a dozen three-point shots each, with no missing. "How does it work!" you would exclaim! "How can Crash's method result in such incredible gains of accuracy?!" And then, during the fraud prosecution, I would be forced to admit that I merely had each person shoot from the three point line a hundred times each, and I just edited out all the misses. You don't see them missing on the record because I selected that part of the record out and destroyed it. And you would reply "But that doesn't explain their incredible accuracy! I mean they hit every shot they made! I saw it!" When you say that a perfectly explanitory response is not "satisfying", the rest of us can only conclude that it is because you literally did not understand it. And, of course, you're on the record that the best way to understand science is to not understand anything at all about it, so naturally you won't ask questions designed to increase your understanding. Why you continue to allow yourself to be the person who knows the least in these discussions is a mystery to me. It's one thing to bring a knife to a gunfight. It's quite another to do so because you think knives always beat guns.
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4828 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
Crash writes:
Thanks Crash. That is a compliment. In Matthew 18:2 Jesus said "Truly I say to you, unless you are converted and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven." Talking to you is akin to talking to a very small child. I admit I have a simple childlike approach to things but guess what? The truth is so simple a child can understand it. I may not be the most articulate cat in town but I think I bring some thought provoking points of view to the table. Heck, at least I bring a little personality into the fray with some humor and friendly gestures now and then which is more than I can say for many of the members around here.
Because that's how it happened.
And this is the gun you brought to the fight? That's about equivalent to an empty plasticwater pistol puffing a little air spurt. You would be more vicious to tickle me to death Could you explain why you find natural selection an unsatisfying answer?
Yes I could. Your little fairytale was quite entertaining. I had to stop half way through and run to make some popcorn.
And then, during the fraud prosecution...
I think that was an excellent way to put it because that's exactly what this whole notion of natural selection being able to "edit" is, a fraud. In a nutshell editing is an act of intelligence with intentionality. This is in direct violation of the very premise of ToE.And where the heck are all these bones, muscles and joints coming from to begin with. This totally screams intentionality! A joint is needed between bones to have proper mobility and I am to believe it just happened along? Sorry, I just can't sign up for that wishful thinking fairytale! Let me give you a very simple and short quiz Crash; What is one provable truth all of these systems have in common? The Neurological SystemVision Hearing Balance Smell Taste Touch Skin The Endocrine System The Respiratory The Gastrointestinal System The Circulatory System The Excretory System The Musculoskeletal System The Reproduction System Doot du doot du, doot du doot, doot du doot du doot du doot......and his answer is? Edited by ICdesign, : No reason given.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2325 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Hello again ICdesign,
ICdesign writes:
Well no, I disagree. There are some truths a child might understand, but really, most things are far more complex than a child-like approach can comprehend. Or are you going to tell me that children understand complex mathematics?
I admit I have a simple childlike approach to things but guess what? The truth is so simple a child can understand it. I may not be the most articulate cat in town but I think I bring some thought provoking points of view to the table. Heck, at least I bring a little personality into the fray with some humor and friendly gestures now and then which is more than I can say for many of the members around here.
And sometimes a bit of bile, perhaps? What I mean is that some of your remarks are condescending and belittling, like all your "opponents" are children to be told off. Yes I could. Your little fairytale was quite entertaining. I had to stop half way through and run to make some popcorn.
Ok, go ahead, explain it then. We're waiting.
I think that was an excellent way to put it because that's exactly what this whole notion of natural selection being able to "edit" is, a fraud.
See, this is what I was talking about. Was it really necessary to label it as a fraud here? You're basically calling everyione dishonest people. That's not necessary, now is it?
In a nutshell editing is an act of intelligence with intentionality.
Yes. And editing in the example was the fraud.
This is in direct violation of the very premise of ToE.
Yes. Which was the point of the example.
And where the heck are all these bones, muscles and joints coming from to begin with. This totally screams intentionality!
No, it really doesn't. They evolved from previously present bones / bone-like structures.
A joint is needed between bones to have proper mobility and I am to believe it just happened along?
No, you could take the evidence into acount. Though, you ask to "just beilieve" your version.
Sorry, I just can't sign up for that wishful thinking fairytale!
Ok, but if you don;t want to take into account the evidence, it's not fair to vcall it a fairytale.
Let me give you a very simple and short quiz Crash;
Uhm... They evolved?
What is one provable truth all of these systems have in common? The Neurological SystemVision Hearing Balance Smell Taste Touch Skin The Endocrine System The Respiratory The Gastrointestinal System The Circulatory System The Excretory System The Musculoskeletal System The Reproduction System Doot du doot du, doot du doot, doot du doot du doot du doot......and his answer is?
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ICdesign Member (Idle past 4828 days) Posts: 360 From: Phoenix Arizona USA Joined: |
Hi Huntard,
Good to here from you mate.
And sometimes a bit of bile, perhaps?
You are right my friend. Some of my remarks do end up as you say. In fact it is one of my New Year resolutions to work on that. Having said that, the heavy condescending and belittling comes from your camp mostly. Almost every single reply from your guys are filled with hate centered comments about how stupid we creationists are. Being a rebel all my life and an Ex-Marine, my tendency is to push back. Like I said, I am trying to be more Christ-like. Boy is it hard around hereWhat I mean is that some of your remarks are condescending and belittling, like all your "opponents" are children to be told off. Any who mate I am off to bed. You will have to wait till tomorrow for more feedback and the answer to the quiz. Your answer was wrong. I said provable. Good night friend,IC Edited by ICdesign, : No reason given.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I think that was an excellent way to put it because that's exactly what this whole notion of natural selection being able to "edit" is, a fraud. In a nutshell editing is an act of intelligence with intentionality. This is in direct violation of the very premise of ToE. Since the essence of creationist argument is to willfully misunderstand very simple issues, it is futile to try to explain anything to a creationist by analogy, because this just gives him greater scope for creative misunderstanding, as he can now misunderstand not only the thing you were trying to explain in the first place but also the relationship between metaphier and metaphrand --- no matter how obvious this relationship actually is.
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Huntard Member (Idle past 2325 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
ICdesign writes:
Well, it's more that we can't seem to understand why you guys (used loosely here), seem so hell bent on putting your own beliefs in front of the evidence. Anyway, yes, perhaps a bit less condescension should be done on both parts.
You are right my friend. Some of my remarks do end up as you say. In fact it is one of my New Year resolutions to work on that. Having said that, the heavy condescending and belittling comes from your camp mostly. Almost every single reply from your guys are filled with hate centered comments about how stupid we creationists are. Being a rebel all my life and an Ex-Marine, my tendency is to push back.
Does being a rebel and taking orders work togehter?
Any who mate I am off to bed. You will have to wait till tomorrow for more feedback and the answer to the quiz. Your answer was wrong. I said provable.
Yes, I figured as much, I should've included a winky. Let me guess, it's something to do with function, intelligence, and complexity? Anyways, good night mate.
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