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Huntard Member (Idle past 2325 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
And a map of Arabia includes Arabiae Pertrea as part and parcel of Arabia proper. So, when you searched for "Arabia Pertrea" in wiki, of course you got the map that showed it separate, just like I got the map showing Texas as separate when I searched for that.
Your strawman does not cut the mustard.. A map of the US includes Texas as part and parcel of the US proper. {ABE}: This link, from bible-history.com, very clearly states that Arabia Pertrea was a part of Arabia. Care to dodge around that? Edited by Huntard, : Added {ABE} bit
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: jar writes: And "Midian" included both the Arabian and Suez peninsula, remember, your very own link supported that. I checked that out, Jar. From what I could research, it was the wrong traditional Mt Sinai which propagated the assumption that part of Media included Mt. Sinai. Who ever propagated the traditional Mt Sinai named both the mountain and the peninsula as "Sinai" and went from that to assume Midian was in the peninsula to accommodate their interpretation of the Biblical Exodus. Thus some of the maps showing Midian in two locations. This is how one falsehood leads to another. I seriously doubt that you did check that out Buz or even do any research and that this 8is just another of your unsupported fantasies. It is possible that I might be wrong but in that case you will be able to present the evidence in support of your position. I look forward to examining that evidence. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
Showing trade routes leading to Jerusalem in the time of Jesus, this is from The Macmillan Bible Atlas:
The label "Arabia" begins in the Sinai Peninsula.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
Remember that Moses made his first trip to Midian before the Exodus:
The Biblical record of the Exodus links Moses's location after the crossing as Midian. quote:You have the same problem there as with the Exodus: There was no reason to travel all the way to the Arabian Peninsula to escape Pharaoh's wrath. The Sinai Peninsula was remote enough. "I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
ringo writes: Remember that Moses made his first trip to Midian before the Exodus: LOL. What army is going to go after or even care about one man? BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
Exactly. Moses didn't have to escape very far, just out of sight, out of mind. The Sinai Peninsula was plenty far enough. And your own argument is that the Israelites escaped to the same place. Ringo writes:
LOL. What army is going to go after or even care about one man? Remember that Moses made his first trip to Midian before the Exodus: "I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
The reason Wyatt and Lennart Moller have been decried by Christian constituencies like our darling, ICR is that he kicked too many elitist ideological butts. Wyatt, the nobody non-professional anesthesia administrator for a hospital falsified the highly educated elitist professionals. He committed the ideological unpardonable sin.
Years ago I exchanged some communication with Henry Morris. As much as I appreciate much of what ICR has done, I got no reasonable responses from Morris as to why he rejects the Nuweiba hypothesis. Henry Morris and ICR would have to re-tool a lot of their literature and courses etc. in the Institute, admitting to major past errors if they were to fully research the Nuweiba site. The same goes for ICR's lack of interest in researching Wyatt's alleged Noah's Ark site to attempt to falsify it. This is the case with other organizations and creationist entities who simply don't want to admit to error which as been so long propagated and published over the centuries. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: The reason Wyatt and Lennart Moller have been decried by Christian constituencies like our darling, ICR is that he kicked too many elitist ideological butts. Wyatt, the nobody non-professional anesthesia administrator for a hospital falsified the highly educated elitist professionals. He committed the ideological unpardonable sin. No, he is decried because he faked and falsified data. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Some maps specify Arabia Petraea and others do not, depending on the purpose of the map. I stand by the argument that the NT writers were aware of the province of Arabia Petraea not being part and parcel of Arabia proper.
I maintain that the traditional Mt Sinai has no corroborating evidence for being the Biblical Mt Sinai, so regardless of the Arabia debate, Nuweiba trumps the Sinai Peninsula Hypothesis. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5 |
quote: So basically, having produced no evidence whatsoever you stand by the opinion that Arabia Petraea isn't a part of Arabia - despite the fact that it's very name indicates otherwise. We have one map which explicitly states that Arabia Petraea was one of the three parts of Arabia. Another in which the label "Arabia" clearly includes Sinai - and you had to lie about the one map you did point to.
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Admin Director Posts: 13046 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.7 |
Buzsaw writes: I stand by the argument... I'm here simply to effect an increased focus on evidence. The question isn't whether you are standing by the argument, but whether the evidence is standing by you. Arabia Petraea was the name Rome gave to their Arabian province. It refers to that part of Arabia ruled from Petra, an ancient city in what is now Jordan. This is from the Wikipedia article on Petra:
Wikipedia writes: In 106 CE, when Cornelius Palma was governor of Syria, that part of Arabia under the rule of Petra was absorbed into the Roman Empire as part of Arabia Petraea, becoming capital. In other words, Arabia Petraea was the portion of Arabia that became part of the Roman Empire. This information I've just provided should not be considered final, and I'm not trying to join the discussion. This is just to illustrate that instead of just insisting that you're not giving up your position you should instead be seeking evidence that supports it. Please, no replies to this message.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Buzsaw writes: Some maps specify Arabia Petraea and others do not, depending on the purpose of the map. I stand by the argument that the NT writers were aware of the province of Arabia Petraea not being part and parcel of Arabia proper. I maintain that the traditional Mt Sinai has no corroborating evidence for being the Biblical Mt Sinai, so regardless of the Arabia debate, Nuweiba trumps the Sinai Peninsula Hypothesis. First, Arabia Petraea would include the Nuweiba area since it covered both side of the Gulf of Aqaba.
quote: Arabia Petraea shown in Red. from Wiki Second, it was but one of three divisions that together made up Arabia. The other two were Arabia Deserta and Arabia Felix. Third, you have presented NO corroborating evidence no matter how many times you claim it. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Any chance you are going to answer this? Maybe provide some evidence for your claims?
Theodoric writes: Just a marine scientist's techy underwater photographs and videos of wheel and axle shaped corral crusted forms, again at the right place in the row of ducks. Who is this marine scientist? Can you show us these "techy" photos? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Buzsaw writes: I checked that out, Jar. From what I could research, it was the wrong traditional Mt Sinai which propagated the assumption that part of Media included Mt. Sinai. This is the kind of stuff I'd like to see your evidence for. Could you describe your research?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Theodoric writes: Any chance you are going to answer this? Maybe provide some evidence for your claims?
Theodoric writes: Just a marine scientist's techy underwater photographs and videos of wheel and axle shaped corral crusted forms, again at the right place in the row of ducks. Who is this marine scientist? Can you show us these "techy" photos? Where have you been in this thread. The name of the scientist, Lennart Moller of Sweden is all over the thread and there is some of his photography as well. Google Exodus Video and you should get some excerpts of the video. There are other videos at Ron Wyatt's home site as well. Some of them have been embellished as I understand. Others have not. If you don't find what you're looking for, get back to me and I'll see what I can do for you. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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