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Dogmafood Member (Idle past 379 days) Posts: 1815 From: Ontario Canada Joined: |
Just for a little context, these are the people you guys are defending.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
"Civilian targets" like a factory, sure.
"Civilian targets" like a restaurant, however, is not part of our rules of engagement. Now, there's what's supposed to happen and what actually happens. I'm not really talking about fog of war or bad intel or mistakes or even a psycho in uniform. I'm talking about an organization that's willing to state: "Here's our goal and here's what we will or will not attack in principle." IF they are willing to do that and stick to it, then we should be willing to better apply the label of terrorist to those to whom is actually fits
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
Just for a little context, these are the people you guys are defending. Actually, we're not. I'm talking in general, and I'm really thinking more about Iraq than Afghanistan. I don't know that the Taliban is doing a lot of targeting of civilians and IEDs. Maybe they are, I just don't know. I do know this is going on in Iraq.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
I'm talking about an organization that's willing to state: "Here's our goal and here's what we will or will not attack in principle." You actually think the US is open and honest about the foul acts of war they readily commit? Why do you think they have criminalized Julian Assange? Because they want their heinous acts to be on the low low as far as the US public is concerned. They want to uphold their good guy image. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given. "Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But we also targeted workers in factories, supply chains, transportation systems, people in villages that support enemies as well as whole villages themselves; and continue to see 'collateral losses'.
The key thing that I don't see getting discussed is the required change in paradigm and rules of conflict that will be necessary in the future. We are still fighting the current wars by the rules of the last war. That is a sure recipe for failure. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
could you see our young people getting a renaissance interest in becoming Christian "soldiers" to save our nation from being overwhelmed economically and culturally from other beliefs? Where have you been, Phat? The KKK is exactly that, so are militia groups, and they've been active for a long while in the US. Militia groups are actively trying to do what Al Qaeda is doing. Oklahoma City bombing was a militia group. They both have the same agenda. - Oni
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frako Member (Idle past 336 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
I never saw anything that implyed thet bombing civilians is ok and not terrorism.
All i saw was discussions of why people put on bombs and blow themselves up and if the US could also be considered as a terrorist organization because civilians get killed by them too. Personally i would never use a gun to kill somebody be it the devil himself Hitler or god i personal think killing is wrong but then again i am an atheist so i dont have as many loop holes in my moral standard as religious people do The only loophole i have is if someone would directly threten me or someone i am close to. This loophole does not incloude the country those people come from their religion their nationality .... just the people that are the direct threat.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
For my answer, go back and read the sentence before the one you quoted.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
However, some of them aren't targeting soldiers, or supply depots, or engaging in delaying or distruption of infrastructure. Some of them are blowing up Red Cross buildings. Some of them are attacking people waiting in line to vote. I don't disagree - but some of us are doing that, too. I'm not sure I understand the difference between "illegal out-of-uniform combatant" and "private military contractor", for instance, except that the Xe/Blackwater guys are on our side and not theirs.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4176 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
Lets not forget all these comments made by, what some would consider, fine upstanding Americans.
quote: Of course look at his ignorant daddy who doesn't realize that "One nation under god", and "In god we trust" was not added til 1954, 1956; Eisenhower was scared of godless commies so had them added to money and the pledge, til then we were never one nation under god.
quote: Just a few more from random people...
quote: source Some of these views seem just as extreme and intolerant as the Taliban. After 9/11 I heard a few people suggest we retaliate by all kinds of ways from nukes, to crashing planes into some of their buildings, the volunteer list probably wouldn't be long, but I am sure we could find more then a few Christian soldiers who would've been willing. Morals are somewhat subjective anyway, our Idea of what is acceptable and theirs differs for most of us, not all though, plenty of radical Christians who would like nothing more then to exterminate certain groups, gays...Muslims, atheist...ect. I guess the taliban acts on it's beliefs more the the radical Christians do, they tend to climb up on the soapbox and shout, the taliban actually goes out and does these terrible things. Edited by fearandloathing, : No reason given. "I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Just a small correction. The pledge was changed during Ike's administration but it was done by Congress and driven mostly by the Knights of Columbus.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
We're the guest. No. Al Qaeda was the guest of the Taliban. Al Qaeda was an announced and sworn enemy of the West. We drew a line in the sand, told everyone who was for us to step onto our side, and went after the house guest. What other strategy can be employed against such terror tactics?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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We drew a line in the sand, told everyone who was for us to step onto our side, and went after the house guest. That mission ended at Tora Bora when Bush allowed bin Laden to escape. That was ten years ago. That's the point at which we became the "bad guest", only there's nobody big and bad enough to kick us out. Why are we still there killing people, Phat? Bin Laden is dead. The masterminds of 9/11 are dead.
What other strategy can be employed against such terror tactics? How about "don't give a shit"? Less people died in 9/11 than died that year in motorcycle accidents. If you had absolutely no terror policy whatsoever, if the TSA didn't exist, if you could bring anything you wanted onto an airplane - a bomb, a gun, a poison gas canister, whatever you wanted - the most dangerous part of flying would still be the car ride to the airport. Instead of being a nation of bellicose pussies, we should take a cue from the Brits and just carry the fuck on. If a terrorist gets a bomb to a cafe - shit happens, and we should find the guy that did it and make an arrest. But turning Afghanistan into the 51st US state has done absolutely nothing either to reduce global terror or combat the spread of Al-Queda.
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Points noted.
I guess my main question that remains unanswered is why these young professionals, most of them educated and coming from nice homes...and many not religious...joined this organization that committed to a war against the West. Why can't they just come and compete with the rest of us and earn a living?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I guess my main question that remains unanswered is why these young professionals, most of them educated and coming from nice homes...and many not religious...joined this organization that committed to a war against the West. Religion. Duh!
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