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Modulous
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Message 62 of 175 (621634)
06-27-2011 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Phat
06-27-2011 3:58 PM


Re: Its Group Dynamics, Stupid.
Group dynamics!!! That I could understand! When I was a charismaniac Christian, I felt accepted and part of a group. Had the Pastor told us that the government was of the antichrist, and provided circumstantial evidence, as a group who knows what we would have done???
You might want to read WE FEW, WE HAPPY FEW, WE BAND OF BROTHERS, by J. Anderson Thomson, Jr for an interesting account of male coalitionary violence. A little more is needed than just religion, but religion does 'hijack' certain evolved traits that can lead to bad things.
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A parsimonious formulation of suicide terrorism supported by the evidence is: Male bonded coalitionary violence, with lethal raiding against innocents is as old as our species, even older. The capacity is embedded in all males (Wrangham). The potential for suicide resides in all of us, both males and females. The evidence suggests two types of evolved suicide potentials: negative inclusive fitness (de Catanzaro), and retaliation bargaining (Hagen). The first arises from a sense of burdensomeness and animates female suicide bombers. The second originates from positions of humiliation and powerlessness and characterizes male suicide bombers. Religion is a cultural construct, a product of human minds. Many of the evolved cognitive adaptations which generate religious beliefs can be exploited to motivate suicide terrorism. This makes religion a powerful ideology which can simultaneously hijack the evolved capacities for lethal raiding and suicide.

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Message 138 of 175 (622155)
07-01-2011 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 128 by dronestar
06-30-2011 11:58 AM


European whitewash
Europeans participants, ... do your schools teach your nation's ugly past, or do they whitewash like americans. Can you name an example?
While there was some degree of positive painting, it wasn't the blind jingoistic 'patriotism' I sometimes hear about from American students. The fact that we carpet bombed Dresden and other cities is not apologised for. British share of blame for the whole middle east fiasco is confronted. The short sightedness of Chamberlain, the war mongering colonialism in the pre-war years and so on and so forth are taught.

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Modulous
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Message 141 of 175 (622174)
07-01-2011 1:40 PM
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07-01-2011 9:54 AM


Re: European whitewash
I can't speak for Germany being low on national whitewashing (or rather beschnigen, 'making it shiny' or 'gloss over'), the only warts I know of that they openly admit are those that cannot be denied (legally!), but maybe they are equally open to criticising their pre-great war colonialism, the HRE and any other dark shadows in German history I'm not personally up to speed on (abe: oh yeah - their actions on the Crusades).
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