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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 113 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
That is all that Coyote was saying, that all these groups, even though they all claim the same "inspired claimed source", all come up with very different conclusions. So, how does this affect the proposition of creationism as a logical principle. Do you even understand what the argument is or is not
As usual, Dawn, you don't understand anything. You are listed as the most prolific poster in this topic ... and you have absolutely nothing to contribute. Shouting and waving your arms in the air Dwise doesnt a good argument make. My suggestion is that you take a close look at my arguments, present them, then attempt to refute them Nobody is paying attention to your tantrums, but we pay very close attention to your unwillingness to respond specifically to presented arguments Really Dwise, is this how your superiors in the military taught you how to act, like a child Youll impress me when you actually respond to the argument in my post Your tantrums are not a good distraction. Give it a try Dwise, see what happens Dawn Bertot Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2136 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
So, how does this affect the proposition of creationism as a logical principle. Do you even understand what the argument is or is not Creationism is a religious belief, not a "logical principle." Creation "science" was invented after creationism was banished by the courts. But creation "science" was itself shortly thereafter banished, as was it's stepchild, "intelligent design." All of these were disallowed because they are religion, not science. And still creationism is a religious belief in spite of these attempts to take on the trappings, and respect, relegated to science.Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Dawn Bertot writes: Nobody is paying attention to your tantrums, but we pay very close attention to your unwillingness to respond specifically to presented arguments jar writes: Please present the evidence of the creator or the method used by that critter to influence evolution. Dawn Bertot writes: *nothing* We pay very close attention to your unwillingness to respond specifically to presented arguments.
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 113 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
{ABE: Dawn, you have seen for yourself how well your bullshit plays in written form. It doesn't play at all, does it? Why do you remain so deeply in denial? Because you believe that your faith depends completely on the lies that you keep spewing? Why are you unable to see what's so fundamentally wrong with such a sick and perverted theology?} I would very much love to have a public debate with yourself, Dwise. My obligation in the debate would be staying awake during one of your speaches that make no attempt at arguments presented dear God in heaven, I read through this vacuous speach and still no attempt at an argument Do you even understand the principles of debate.
Get somebody in there who knows what he's doing and the creationist will have a very hard task before him. never have I ever seen one seasoned debator of the Churches of Christ struggling or faltering in debates with Atheist, evos or anyother topic for that matter
One thing that has worked to our advantage is that the creationists' presentations are very well-polished. That means that they are running through a script; eg, Duane Gish, the universally acknowledged creationist "master debator" (you won't get it, but everyone else is fully free to play with the wording inside those quotation marks). This means that, while that well-oiled machine may serve the creationist well against uninitiated opponents, the more studious opponents will know exactly what the creationist will do, what false claims he will use, and what the appropriate responses are. get out and about more and you find more than polished speeches
greatest advantage a creationist has is the element of surprise. If they are able to deceive their opponent into thinking that the issues of the "debate" are scientific, then they are free to chew him up piece-meal. The very last thing that creationists would want is to allow their opponent time to analyze their claims and to research them. An oral debate with time constraints ensures that that will never happen. A written debate opens the doors for actual examination of the evidence, which is the very last thing that any aware creationist would want. A total misrepresentation if ever I saw one Dawn Bertot
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 113 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Creationism is a religious belief, not a "logical principle." Creation "science" was invented after creationism was banished by the courts. But creation "science" was itself shortly thereafter banished, as was it's stepchild, "intelligent design." All of these were disallowed because they are religion, not science. And still creationism is a religious belief in spite of these attempts to take on the trappings, and respect, relegated to science. try and think deeper C. Creationism and science are terms. The reality of the situation is that all things are testable logical propositions agaisnt a demonstratable reality Something is logically demonstratable regardless of terms and concepts. If I called creationism a football and evolution a usda grade A bag of dufuss, (say like dwise), it would not change the reality of its logical possibilites Its either logically demonstratable or it is not, no matter what term you put on it Dawn Bertot Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given. Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given. Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 113 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 113 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
Dawn Bertot writes: Nobody is paying attention to your tantrums, but we pay very close attention to your unwillingness to respond specifically to presented arguments jar writes:Please present the evidence of the creator or the method used by that critter to influence evolution. Dawn Bertot writes:*nothing* Read my post again the argument is there. Look alittle deeper and if you still cant see it Illl present it again. Its sad that I should have to do that with such a self-proclaimed educated person as yourself dawn bertot Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
So, how does this affect the proposition of creationism as a logical principle. Do you even understand what the argument is or is not Yes, I do understand the argument, unlike you. And how does this affect the "proposition of creationism as a logical principle"? Absoluta-fracking-lutly not in the slightest bit. Nothing in this topic ever had anything at all to do with that. Duh?? Coyote was saying that there is no concensus whatsoever to judge the validity of creationist claims. Period. Punkt. Was anderes erwartest du, Knabe? Then you barge in and inject all kinds of extraneous garbage. What part of that do you not understand? All you ever post is garbage. You pay lip service to "logic", and yet you have repeatedly displayed absolute ignorance of logic. We directly challenged you and you ran away immediately, remember? If absolutely required to, I will research back through the posts here. Will you even begin to have the balls (questionable given your girly name) to stand up to that kind of challenge? You know that I will. And you know full well that you will not be able to stand up to that kind of exposition. Let's put it this way: I am half Scottish, nearly half Irish, and about a 16th German. The Scottish part will not put up with yer bullshit and the German part will methodically tear you apart.
Youll impress me when you actually respond to the argument in my post
Oh? Do you actually have an argument? Care to enlighten us as to what it is?
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 113 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
All you ever post is garbage. Then show why in argument form, not in one of your mind numbing speeches
You pay lip service to "logic", and yet you have repeatedly displayed absolute ignorance of logic. We directly challenged you and you ran away immediately, remember? If absolutely required to, I will research back through the posts here. Will you even begin to have the balls (questionable given your girly name) to stand up to that kind of challenge? You know that I will. And you know full well that you will not be able to stand up to that kind of exposition. Let's put it this way: I am half Scottish, nearly half Irish, and about a 16th German. The Scottish part will not put up with yer bullshit and the German part will methodically tear you apart. Please by all means, do one of two things, either show what i have ran form or make attempt at a single argument in my post in this or anyother thread. Id like to research you NOT doing that, but ofcourse I cant find something that is not there Do you even understand that creationism is a term, not a reality. The reality of creationism is its logical tenets as an argument. its not to be connected with religion or evolution. Its testable in logical form or it is not. Foe heavens sake please do the research of which boast Dawn Bertot Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
I would very much love to have a public debate with yourself, Dwise. Granted! Written format! Girly name or not, do you have the huevos? If you truly believe that having a written format has no effect, then what are you afraid of?
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
Foe heavens sake please do the research of which boast Oh frickin' frak! You forgot how to write sentences. A huge step backwards!
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Dawn Bertot Member (Idle past 113 days) Posts: 3571 Joined: |
I will research back through the posts here. Will you even begin to have the balls (questionable given your girly name) to stand up to that kind of challenge? You know that I will. Please dear God in heaven, give this man the ability, time and skills to accomplish such a task Dawn Bertot
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
jar writes: Please present the evidence of the creator or the method used by that critter to influence evolution. Dawn Bertot writes: *nothing* We pay very close attention to your unwillingness to respond specifically to presented arguments.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Dawn Bertot writes: give this man the ability, time and skills to accomplish such a task It doesn't take much ability to find at least one point you have studiously avoiding answering.Jar has posted it several times. I have posted it several times. I'll post it again...
jar writes: Please present the evidence of the creator or the method used by that critter to influence evolution. Dawn Bertot writes: *nothing* We pay very close attention to your unwillingness to respond specifically to presented arguments.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5952 Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
This forum does give us the tools for accomplishing my task. Even though it does take some work.
Your days are numbered, you fucking liar! Which is to say, "typical creationist". Edited by dwise1, : No reason given.
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