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Stile
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Message 16 of 337 (646153)
01-03-2012 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by New Cat's Eye
01-03-2012 12:45 PM


Re: SWTOR
I'm all about Borderlands these days.
DIII...
Borderlands 2...
...one day, all the games I want to play will be available.
Maybe tomorrow!

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mike the wiz
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Message 17 of 337 (646154)
01-03-2012 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Phat
01-03-2012 12:13 PM


Re: Random Irrefutability
Ive a question for you, however. Since science and creationism seem to have divergent conclusions, are the scientists merely blinded by a truth they cannot handle, in your opinion?
Phat - what a question. If I was to answer that here that would be considered a flame-war, and as usual, the thread would focus on me and what I had said, like with every other topic I take part in.
Since this is a kind of loose thread, I'll stay loose.
I think people don't value the truth anymore. It has become a poisoned pool. Pluralism abounds. One man will judge me to be evil in his subjective morals, another man will not. "Truth" has become nebulous, all they care about is winning.
This is why they are happy to attack the person, and say all manner of false things to make the person look bad, because the truth the person speaks is not relevant. In their puffed-up man-centred sinful nature, pride is king. As long as a person like me, a creationist, LOOKS wrong, LOOKS stupid, LOOKS beaten, then that is enough, all that matters is winning these days.
It's the old story of sin, of man thinking he know more than the one who created this existence.
There is a veil, we have spoken of it and we know about it but it is impossible to convey to those who wear it.
So I personally don't think the truth matters to them.
Remember, the bible says, that all those who hate God love death. It says that the fool has said that there is no God. But I think people like you Phat, are not given over to pride, I think you care enough about truth to hear what God Himself says, so here is what he says;
Isaiah 45.9. writes:
Woe to those who quarrel with their Maker,
those who are nothing but potsherds
among the potsherds on the ground.
Does the clay say to the potter,
‘What are you making?’
Does your work say,
‘The potter has no hands’?
10 Woe to the one who says to a father,
‘What have you begotten?’
or to a mother,
‘What have you brought to birth?’
11 This is what the LORD says
the Holy One of Israel, and its Maker:
Concerning things to come,
do you question me about my children,
or give me orders about the work of my hands?
12 It is I who made the earth
and created mankind on it.
Isaiah44 writes:
I am the first and I am the last;
apart from me there is no God.
7 Who then is like me? Let him proclaim it.
Let him declare and lay out before me
what has happened since I established my ancient people,
and what is yet to come
yes, let them foretell what will come.
8 Do not tremble, do not be afraid.
Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago?
You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me?
No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.
9 All who make idols are nothing,
and the things they treasure are worthless.
Those who would speak up for them are blind;
they are ignorant, to their own shame.

10 Who shapes a god and casts an idol,
which can profit nothing?
11 People who do that will be put to shame;
such craftsmen are only human beings.
Let them all come together and take their stand;
they will be brought down to terror and shame.
Those who are nothing? This is the key - they are nothing, soon they will be dead, that is their prize, death shall feed on them, and yet they think they know more than an eternal God, and there is no other.
P.S. (Don't forget, the creation scientists are fully qualified scientists, don't fall for the "no true scotsman" fallacy, that states that they are not true scientists, such silly arguments abound, many of us understand the evolutionary hypothetics, we just don't say they are true. It's a silly fallacy, to believe that if you don't find a joke to be funny then you don't understand the joke. We understand the joke Phat, we "get it", we just don't think it's funny). Don't be fooled by the "base principles of this world" as Paul said, the, "empty philosophies".
Edited by mike the wiz, : No reason given.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 18 of 337 (646157)
01-03-2012 1:50 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by subbie
01-03-2012 12:50 PM


Re: Wizardry, FTW
I spent hundreds of hours with Wizardry. The most fun I've ever had computer gaming.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 19 of 337 (646158)
01-03-2012 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Stile
01-03-2012 1:20 PM


Re: SWTOR
I'm all about Borderlands these days.
I really liked Borderlands... played all the way through it once. Got a little help online with the tougher bosses. The final boss was disappointingly underwhelming.
There was a little bit lacking in the game (especially for multiuplayer), which I'm sure the #2 will take care of and end up being fantastic, but really, the game was just.... fun.
DIII...
I would love to have been playing this one already. They're just taking way too long and I'm starting to loose interest. SWTOR has me hooked, so without enough time to play as many games as I'd like to, Star Wars will prolly end up winning.
Maybe tomorrow!

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nwr
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Message 20 of 337 (646160)
01-03-2012 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by mike the wiz
01-03-2012 1:29 PM


Re: Random Irrefutability
mike the no_longer_a_wiz writes:
I think people don't value the truth anymore.
That is an untruth. And people who value the truth find it offensive when peddlers of obviously-made-up-stories as truth make such an assertion about them.
If you don't like flame wars, stop playing with matches.

Jesus was a liberal hippie

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mike the wiz
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Message 21 of 337 (646167)
01-03-2012 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by nwr
01-03-2012 2:04 PM


Re: Random Irrefutability
It's sad that all you guys have is ad hominem attacks.
I don't need to do this. I provide information, not comments about your intellect or false statements about people.
I understand you might hate or fear what I have said. Perhaps that is why you can comfortably lie about me by saying, "peddlers of obviously-made-up-stories".
Let's see if my brain is still functioning then shall we?
You say it is an obviously made-up story, but that only seems to be obvious to a particular type of people. Would you say therefore, that your statement is objective? I would say that this bizarre conclusion only stems from atheists.
But did you know that you stated that it is obviously made up even though it is not obvious to everyone, and therefore did not prove your claim in any way whatsoever?
I am more than happy to have a one on one debate to show that my mind is functioning quite correctly.
If we do this, THEN will that stop you from saying false things, such as "no longer wiz"? Because I don't fully know what you mean by that.
Are you saying that lack of belief in the evolution theory somehow diminishes the brain of a person? How utterly odd!
Was this post supposed to show you care about truth?
Edited by mike the wiz, : No reason given.
Edited by mike the wiz, : No reason given.

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Shield
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Message 22 of 337 (646176)
01-03-2012 2:55 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Stile
01-03-2012 1:20 PM


Re: SWTOR
Have you tried id's Rage? Its pretty much just a Borderlands clone, but its a good clone!
Havent been playing it much though, i use all my gaming time on Skyrim these days.

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Stile
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From: Ontario, Canada
Joined: 12-02-2004


Message 23 of 337 (646181)
01-03-2012 3:08 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Shield
01-03-2012 2:55 PM


Rage
Just looked it up on Wikipedia.
Sounds good... but I'm not so into the one-player aspect right now.
My wife and I play together, we like simultaneous pixel action
Same with Borderlands, actually... I've been playing the game for 7-8 months (maybe just an hour a day or so on average...), but I've never played the single player. We just play the split-screen and it's a riot to go through the quests together. In Borderlands you can do the entire quest system with up to 4 players (online... only up to two splitscreen off the box), it's nicely open like that.
Is it a sign of trouble in the marriage when you're arguing over who gets the next Volcano sniper rifle?

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Stile
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Joined: 12-02-2004


Message 24 of 337 (646184)
01-03-2012 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by mike the wiz
01-03-2012 2:33 PM


Re: Random Irrefutability
mike the wiz writes:
I don't need to do this. I provide information, not comments about your intellect or false statements about people.
Are you sure your statements are not false?
This was your statement:
quote:
I think people don't value the truth anymore. It has become a poisoned pool. Pluralism abounds. One man will judge me to be evil in his subjective morals, another man will not. "Truth" has become nebulous, all they care about is winning.
Isn't this obviously false to anyone who knows someone who does, still, value truth?
What are the conditions for being judged as "no longer values truth?" Are you the only arbiter?
The black/white, on/off thinking here causes a lot of issues.
Perhaps you're simply surrounded with poor examples of people that value truth.
But it's difficult to believe you've done a valid investigation to justify thinking that all people across the globe no longer value the truth.
If your statements were a bit more believable it would help... saying things like "some people" or "most just care about winning..." would add credence to your thoughts.
As another aside:
Isaiah44:9 writes:
All who make idols are nothing,
and the things they treasure are worthless.
Those who would speak up for them are blind;
they are ignorant, to their own shame.
Reading things like this become a lot more interesting when you understand that to a large and growing number of people... worshipping "God" is worshipping an idol.

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Larni
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Message 25 of 337 (646203)
01-03-2012 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by New Cat's Eye
01-03-2012 12:45 PM


Re: SWTOR
Bah.
MMOs owe me too much time since I got caught in the great Evercrack wave of 2000.
And Mary Sue Jedi's need to be killed on sight.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.
Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.

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Larni
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Message 26 of 337 (646204)
01-03-2012 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Stile
01-03-2012 1:20 PM


Re: SWTOR
I totally concur.
I'm going to get around to doing the Armoury when I get some spare time with my solider.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.
Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.

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Larni
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Message 27 of 337 (646205)
01-03-2012 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Shield
01-03-2012 2:55 PM


Re: SWTOR
I have a cut down version on my iPad that's pretty fun.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.
Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.

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Larni
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Message 28 of 337 (646206)
01-03-2012 4:32 PM


My Xbox GT is LarniEvC, if anyone is interested.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.
Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.

  
New Cat's Eye
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Message 29 of 337 (646210)
01-03-2012 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Larni
01-03-2012 4:27 PM


Re: SWTOR
Bah.
Bwah?
MMOs owe me too much time since I got caught in the great Evercrack wave of 2000.
Well, they've gotten better. I spent some time on EQ, and even more on EQ2. While SWTOR is 'just another MMO', its come a long way and is so much more fun now. And they figured a bunch of stuff out, for example: you can just send your companions out to gather crafting resources while you're doing quests. Who want to sit there and gather anyways?
You get a spaceship to do space combat missions in
All the quest givers are voice-acted
The game is very Star Wars (the music is unbelievable, so's the scenerey)
And Mary Sue Jedi's need to be killed on sight.
I found The Mary Sue, but I'm not sure what you're referring to as "her Jedi's"...
Wait... Isn't the plural of Jedi just Jedi?

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Larni
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From: Liverpool
Joined: 09-16-2005


Message 30 of 337 (646213)
01-03-2012 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by New Cat's Eye
01-03-2012 4:43 PM


Re: SWTOR
Lol.
I was using Mary Sue in it's prejoritive sense.
Mary Sue
Edited by Larni, : No reason given.

The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer.
-Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53
Moreover that view is a blatantly anti-relativistic one. I'm rather inclined to think that space being relative to time and time relative to location should make such a naive hankering to pin-point an ultimate origin of anything, an aspiration that is not even wrong.
Well, Larni, let's say I much better know what I don't want to say than how exactly say what I do.

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