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hooah212002
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Message 193 of 303 (650389)
01-30-2012 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by Straggler
01-30-2012 3:28 PM


Re: It's Free!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm in the same boat as you.
However! If I could pay a nominal fee to download a movie from a company for a reasonable fee and be able to do with this copy as I wish (sans distributing) like it being able to play on any media player (PS3, Xbox, media streamer), I would be more than happy/willing to do this as opposed to piracy. I would love to have hollywood catch up to the times (in the same sense as Louis C.K. did). I do also subscribe to the likes of Hulu and Netflix, so that model does work. As it stands now, though, I can be half way through my movie by the time the paying customers even get to the menu of their paid for blu-ray copy. I'd like to think one would be able to skip material on a disc they purchased. This isn't even addressing the current model of movie download sevices and the restrictive DRM.
Suffice to say, even if SOPA, PIPA and ACTA are passed, users of the internetz and bays full of pirates will stay one step ahead.
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Holy fuck boys, the grammar of this post is utterly atrocious! I'll leave it here anyways, as is.
Edited by hooah212002, : that's some bad hat, harry.

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Message 239 of 303 (650738)
02-02-2012 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by Huntard
02-02-2012 2:21 PM


Re: we're not there yet
Wait, what's preventing you guys from installing a bittorrent client, going to the pirate bay and clicking on "get torrent"? There's nothing that is preventing us from doing this over here.
It's the people who do just that who get busted. The less tech savvy idiots who think it's that simple. Not sure about the laws in The Netherlands, but it's people who share (uploaders) get busted here in the U.S., not the downloaders. But I'm not going to divulge trade secrets round these parts.... I say let the morons keep getting busted so they don't spill the beans on the tricks of the trade.

Mythology is what we call someone else’s religion. Joseph Campbell

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Message 244 of 303 (650743)
02-02-2012 2:48 PM
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02-02-2012 2:41 PM


Re: we're not there yet
Well, yes, it's illegal to upload stuff here too
Then it's not as simple as downloading bittorrent and surfing a bay of pirates because the very nature of torrenting is that you are sharing while you download. It takes quite a bit a fiddling to make your self "invisible" from the swarm. Much more work than ma' an pa' can muster.

Mythology is what we call someone else’s religion. Joseph Campbell

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Message 255 of 303 (650782)
02-02-2012 7:02 PM


Consumers
From my perspective and in my opinion, this whole copyright fiasco has corporations in mind, not the artist and most certainly not the consumer. It has been pointedly obvious, even in this thread, that we as consumers don't have a voice in how we should get our entertainment, but rather accept how "they" want to feed it to us. Until consumers speak up about the dying business model, nothing will change. This is evident in the slew of bills that are going through congress (SOPA/PIPA/ACTA): they do nothing for consumers or even producers. They protect corporate shareholders' pocket books.
So, have the discussions about the morality of piracy all you want: it won't stop, nor even slow down until Hollywood catches up with the internet age. And when they finally do, the internet will be something new.....

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Message 256 of 303 (650819)
02-03-2012 9:12 AM


SMBC sums it up nicely

Mythology is what we call someone else’s religion. Joseph Campbell

  
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Message 271 of 303 (652386)
02-13-2012 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 268 by Tangle
02-13-2012 3:45 PM


Re: Another interesting example
that the removal of copyright would destroy Hollywood
What's so great about "Hollywood" and why should anyone care if it gets destroyed? All they are doing is rehashing old ideas now anyways. The only fresh/new ideas are indie films. "Ooh ooh! I want Toy Story 12 and then buy all the Toy Story 12 stuff at the store!" or "Oh Micheal Bay, PLEASE make another Transformers movie! Pretty please?!?!?!?!?!?! Only this time with MORE CGI explosions!"

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Message 274 of 303 (652392)
02-13-2012 4:20 PM
Reply to: Message 272 by crashfrog
02-13-2012 4:16 PM


Re: Another interesting example
The world where you can't make something at all because somebody else says they had the idea first and now they've legally enjoined anybody else from producing a competing product - even if they never actually release their own - is the world where it's harder and harder for anyone to create something.
This is the world Apple wants. I HAVE NO INTENTION OF REHASHING AN APPLE BASH SESSION!!!!! I'm just sayin'.

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Message 280 of 303 (652406)
02-13-2012 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by Tangle
02-13-2012 4:38 PM


Re: Another interesting example
Without sounding rude or anything, it appears to me that you need to venture into the seedy underbelly of Piracy from an insiders perspective. Everything you've said is said from the standpoint of someone who knows nothing of the piracy community. If you took the time to poke around, you'd notice quickly that a good percentage of habitual pirates would gladly pay for content that was in a consumer friendly format. The only reason people are "used to" free content is because right now the PAID model is fucking garbage. Actors and musicians still make millions, all the while crying about copyright infringement just so they can make more millions. Fuck making something people want, I want money.

"There is no refutation of Darwinian evolution in existence. If a refutation ever were to come about, it would come from a scientist, and not an idiot." -Dawkins

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Message 290 of 303 (652422)
02-13-2012 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by Tangle
02-13-2012 5:02 PM


Re: Another interesting example
It would take a decade or more of good, user friendly, living room technology, an industry adjusted to new business models and a population normalised to legal copying and distribution before you can have a clue what the actual effecst of abolishing copyright would look like.
Cordcutting, as it were, is a booming market even via already legal means. There is a vast demand, for example, for Amazon to start a strictly streaming service where you don't necessarily have to also sign up for Prime. Boxee, Roku, HTPC's, WD Live TV, Apple TV....ALL are hot as hell. Why? Because a huge number of people do not want to continue paying outlandish cable bills for shit they don't want but ARE willing to pay for services they do on demand. The technology is there and is currently a mesh between legal and not.

"There is no refutation of Darwinian evolution in existence. If a refutation ever were to come about, it would come from a scientist, and not an idiot." -Dawkins

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