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So, you're still smoking then? Or was I right?

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Don't get too far ahead of yourself, Warty.

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Still occupying only one point in space and time.

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What I'm saying is complicated, it takes intelligence to follow.

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Not yet

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I'll slow it down for you because, frankly, I care.

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I doubt it.

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Those with neurological disorders, like deep mental issues require different care. Now, do I feel we should burden ourselves with this? No. I would be happy to let nature remove those traits naturally from our species rather than have to care for them for a lifetime.

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You are oversimplifying again. Not everything is genetic or necessarily lethal.

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But aside from that, extreme, yet totally normal process of selection, I feel mentally challenged people require further help aside from just hitting the gym.

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Congratulations on your epiphany.BTW - "mentally challenged people" is not in the PC newspeak dictionary. The preferred term is "potential axe murderer"

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But for everyone else in America, your problems can all be solved with some sit ups, push ups and jogging.

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You must know you're wrong. This is such a gross oversimplification that I just don't believe you really think that.
Causes of preventable deaths in the US

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This is America, the land where EVERYONE works hard for what they have. At least it used to be like that till you know who took over.

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Sorry, but it's really the land where the class divide is growing to epic proportions. I don't know which you know who you're talking about. I can remember hearing that my entire life about most of the you know whos.

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It's circular. We are so unfit that we CAN'T be insured through government subsidised healthcare. We are unhealthy because we eat the LARGEST portions of food in the WORLD. We have more Mc Donalds in the US than the ENTIRE world combined! The whole fucking world!

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I've already dealt with the McDonalds thing. The fact that you're big fat slobs isn't the only reason you are unhealthy as a nation. It's important but hardly the only thing.

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You can't possibly disagree with that. And if you do you're in denial as to what the actual healthcare issues are in America.

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The healthcare issues in this country have LITTLE to do with the healthcare providers and EVERYTHING to do with our eating habits.

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I don't entirely disagree - healthy lifestyle reduces the need for health care but doesn't eliminate it. I've said it before - you are talking about a problem of education, marketing and culture. Health care is about dealing with existing problems. Both are equally important but not the same thing.Your system wouldn't work any better then the prohibition. People will lead healthy or unhealthy lifestyles regardless of the cost of future health care and by then, it's too late. They will simply not get the care or will bankrupt their family to get it. Of course this will happen after stalling a while for it to get worse (and more expensive to treat) because it might go away by itself. Usually, none of this will happen before they have reproduced and have dependents that will also suffer the consequences, so your Darwin Awards argument isn't valid.The solution to both problems is to educate people, young and old while treating all people who need treatment so that they can get back to work and paying taxes.I really don't get why Americans are so afraid of the idea of medical care for those in need rather than those in clover.

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I quit a year ago. But in my defense, I jog 5 miles literally everyday. So my lungs have recuperated I'd say 95% of their original function and quality. If not 100%

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Thought you sounded like a born again. It does explain your one year benchmark - gotta make sure you benefit from your own system.You don't qualify - your lungs have only improved by about 10% so far. You're still likely to have a stroke, cancer or a heart attack because of your smoking. You would be rejected by your own system - go get healthier before we fix your worn out knees...

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It's the main reason, and the one to seriously focus on.

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You're not even close. Try again. Only 4.6% of preventable deaths are because of obesity in the US.

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I'm not so pessimistic. I have it on good authority that my plan, when implemented, will be successful

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I'm not being pessimistic - I'm just aware of reality.What authority? Buddhists have it on good authority that the gluttons will come back as pigs.

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We have a fine healthcare system here. It WOULD work perfect if not for ALL the unhealthy people sucking the system dry.

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So you're saying that the largest economy in the world can't support the health of it's population better than Canada or Finland. Right. Sure thing.Your health care system is a twisted mess of a trainwreck compared to the rest of the world but seeing as you show all of the hallmarks of the stereotypical insular American, you probably don't know that because that would involve knowing something about the world outside the US.Americans Demand Increased Governmental Protection From Selves

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But let's look at the numbers:

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Obesity in America

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Wow. Statistics from a shop selling vegetarian food that show the benefits of vegetarianism. Riveting stuff.Of course a healthy diet will improve general health. I never argued against it. Same with exercise.

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Let's read the yellow highlighted part again:

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In 2004-2005, 60% of all Americans had at least one chronic health condition, 26% suffered from two or more chronic health conditions, and after age 55, those percentages rose to 78% and 47% respectively. All of these conditions - as well as stroke, depression, arthritis, and a host of others - are complications of obesity.

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They are also complications of smoking, genetics, stress and more. This doesn't say that 60% of Americans had at least one chronic health condition because of obesity. It simply states that if you are overweight, you have an increased likelihood of also developing other chronic health problems. i.e. Being fat is bad for you. I have not once said otherwise.

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In the United States today, 7 out of every 10 deaths are attributed to chronic disease.

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That's got a lot to do with the fact that medicine has been busy curing acute deadly diseases, improving on injury treatment and making childbirth safer. People have to die of something and chronic health conditions are mostly systems breaking down with age and use. This is why the rates skyrocket as people get older. Lifestyle can help but never guarantee.

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So again, we don't need to focus on healthcare reform, we need to focus on eating reform.

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I half agree - you need to do both.You need to work hard on educating the younger generations in particular so that they don't fall into the same trap all you fatsos have. Part of this could well be kicking the crap out of the fast food giants and advertisers. It's big and complicated.The health care issue is still separate as it is all about peoples health needs now. This should not be dependent on income.

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No no, you misunderstand. We have it TOO good here. We have TOO much. We have so much food here that we can't stop eating, and now can't cover the healthcare problems that have come about due to this type of eating habit.

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So you can't afford it because you have too much?Again - two separate issues with two different solutions. Without addressing them both you're wasting your time. You are dismissing one while blaming the other for everything.