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Huntard
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Message 19 of 76 (658634)
04-07-2012 1:28 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Tangle
04-07-2012 12:59 PM


Re: On God's
Tangle writes:
My question is just a way of saying that there is no reason why god would un-reveal himself is there?It's all a nonsense. Because I suddenly saw the light, I am now denied entry into heaven? Simply cobblers, God wouldn't work that way; not and still be the God Christians claim he is anyway.
The most obvious explanation is that Christianity is an error. Something we humans just made up.
You've read the Old Testament, yes? Well, there's your reason right there. God's a sadistic fuck who enjoys torturing people. Making you deconvert will send you to hell, where you will be tortured forever, plus, you get to serve as an example for everybody else who are doubters.
Even when we look to the New Testament, we see a god that would gladly torture and kill his ow son / himself. If he doesn't even care for his son / himself being tortured and killed as much, what makes you think he'll give a shit about you?

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Huntard
Member (Idle past 2325 days)
Posts: 2870
From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 21 of 76 (658639)
04-07-2012 3:51 PM
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04-07-2012 3:49 PM


Re: On God's
GDR writes:
People crucified Jesus. It was God that resurrected Him.
So, Jesus wasn't here to get tortured and killed? That was just an accident?

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Huntard
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From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 32 of 76 (658665)
04-08-2012 2:05 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by GDR
04-07-2012 5:02 PM


Re: On God's
GDR writes:
That is hardly the reason He was here. Primarily He came to establish His Kingdom that is supposed to be characterized by humble sacrificial love. He went to the cross because that is what generally happened to people that upset the authorities at that time. Christ's message that the temple could be replaced by human hearts and that those hearts were to love their enemies put Him in opposition to the powerful people in that society. (Sorta like walking up and down Wall Street with a sign saying that capitalism is dead.)
Most Christians would disagree with that. They'd say the reason Jesus was here was to take upon him all the sins that we committed and are going to commit. You're saying the crucifixion was merely an accident. You've taken one of the core believes of Christianity (that Jesus died for our sins and thus, through him, we are guaranteed a place in heaven), and tossed it aside as an irrelevant consequence.
Not saying I don't like your version better. but the overwhelming majority of Christians would disagree.
Jesus was saying that the enemy wasn't the Romans, but that the enemy was evil itself and the only way to defeat evil is with it's opposite, which is love. He confronted the evil that was brought on Him and God resurrected Him in an act of love.
As I said, it was people that killed Jesus but it was God that showed that the evil inflicted on Jesus by people was not the final chapter in the story.
Ok, cool. So basically, your god just let Tangle go a little too far in his disbelief. He shouldn't believe most of the bible, or even what most Christians claim about Jesus and his purpose, however, he should still belief in a god. Now, why did your god allow Tangle to become so disillusioned with Christianity that he now rejects god outright? Could he not have bee more clear in his message?

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