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Faith
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Message 181 of 313 (700578)
06-04-2013 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by Dr Adequate
06-04-2013 11:45 AM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Found the picture of the Armenian coin commemorating their joining the Council of Europe in 2001. Seems logical to me that the ten strokes that fan off the logo probably represent the first ten member states but if you happen to know that they don't, let me know.

The Wikipedia article says the Council of Europe was founded in 1949 with ten original states. It seems to be emblematic of the Council since they make a point of it, even providing a map of the first ten despite the fact that it was only a couple months afterward that the number increased.

Yeah, Europa on a bull doesn't match the particulars in Revelation, we just find it highly suggestive. I also find the legend of Europa highly suggestive -- raped by the bull you know, Zeus in the form of.

Oh I DO think the fact that the EU made Breughel's Tower of Babel a model for their goal of world unification, which Biblically is a model of rebellion against God, and that they modeled some major architecture on the Roman Colosseum which Breughel's painting also mimics, is HIGHLY suggestive of Biblical end times themes.

ABE: Hey Here's a page that gives better pictures than the blogger I linked before. The Parliament Building in Brussels was actually DESIGNED to look like Breughel's Tower of Babel and it's called The Tower Building.

I'd also note that the stars in the poster are rather pointedly shaped like the Baphomet image, the devil's head.

And SURELY the fact that the designer of the flag based it on the Catholic interpretation of the woman with the crown of stars gives it a Roman Catholic meaning as opposed to a Protestant meaning. Hm?

Lots of ROMAN imagery here you know. Prophecy points to a revived Roman Empire as the seat of the final Antichrist.

What do you think of the empty 666 chair?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 182 of 313 (700579)
06-04-2013 7:49 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by Faith
06-04-2013 7:39 PM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Found the picture of the Armenian coin commemorating their joining the Council of Europe in 2001. Seems logical to me that the ten strokes that fan off the logo probably represent the first ten member states but if you happen to know that they don't, let me know.

Yes, well, your idea of what is logical makes logicians want to throw rocks at you while shouting "That is not logical!"

Why would it represent the "first ten member states" when the EU never had ten member states?

The Wikipedia article says the Council of Europe was founded in 1949 with ten original states.

And the Council of Europe and the EU are two different things. The way that they have different names is kind of a clue.

Yeah, Europa on a bull doesn't match the particulars in Revelation, we just find it highly suggestive.

You find everything highly suggestive. This is one of the things you have in common with paranoid schizophrenic lunatics.

Oh I DO think the fact that the EU made Breughel's Tower of Babel a model for their goal of world unification, which Biblically is a model of rebellion against God, and that they modeled some major architecture on the Roman Colosseum which Breughel's painting also mimics, is HIGHLY suggestive of Biblical end times themes.

And SURELY the fact that the designer of the flag based it on the Catholic interpretation of the woman with the crown of stars gives it a Roman Catholic meaning as opposed to a Protestant meaning. Hm?

Lots of ROMAN imagery here you know. Prophecy points to a revived Roman Empire as the seat of the final Antichrist.

What do you think of the empty 666 chair?

That's just mad ranting, isn't it?


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Faith
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Message 183 of 313 (700580)
06-04-2013 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 182 by Dr Adequate
06-04-2013 7:49 PM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Yeah I'm not clear on the relation between the Council of Europe and the EU, perhaps you can enlighten me. Surely we don't have two separate governing bodies? Much of the imagery here seems to be connected to the Council of Europe.

Found a link explaining it but it's not clear why there are these two different entities that seem to have similar functions and goals. Even the same flag.

Oh by the way I added a link at the AbE in the other post.

Na, there's no schizophrenia here, it's just interesting and fun to play with symbolism.

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Rahvin
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Message 184 of 313 (700581)
06-04-2013 8:18 PM
Reply to: Message 183 by Faith
06-04-2013 7:55 PM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Na, there's no schizophrenia here, it's just interesting and fun to play with symbolism.

It's hard to tell what you do and do not take seriously, Faith.

"Playing with symbolism Faith" looks damned near identical to "Analyzing Biblical prophesy Faith."

Especially when the symbolism you're "playing with" ties directly into Biblical mythology like the Tower of Babel.


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Faith
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Message 185 of 313 (700582)
06-04-2013 8:29 PM
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06-04-2013 8:18 PM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Well, yeah, I take Bible prophecy very seriously, but that doesn't mean I think any particular imagery from the world that looks like an interesting fit is necessarily THE fit. I think the EU or Council of Europe symbolism is very interestingly suggestive, VERY, but until it's played out further there's no way to be completely certain of it.
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Message 186 of 313 (700585)
06-04-2013 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by Faith
06-04-2013 8:29 PM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
And before it was the EU it was the same crap but assigned to the UN.

End Time Prophecy has never ever been fulfilled.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Panda
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Message 187 of 313 (700590)
06-04-2013 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 181 by Faith
06-04-2013 7:39 PM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Faith writes:

Found the picture of the Armenian coin commemorating their joining the Council of Europe in 2001. Seems logical to me that the ten strokes that fan off the logo probably represent the first ten member states but if you happen to know that they don't, let me know.


Armenia is divided into 10 provinces.

Please note:
1) It was an Armenian coin issued in Armenia by Armenians to commemorate Armenia joining the Council of Europe.
2) The Council of Europe is NOT the European Union.
3) Armenia is NOT a member of the European Union.

So - what is more likely:
a) The 10 fans represent the first 10 members of the EU.
b) The 10 fans represent the 10 Armenian provinces.

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Faith
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Message 188 of 313 (700594)
06-04-2013 9:50 PM
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06-04-2013 9:21 PM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Could be, Panda, perhaps you have explained its true significance.

I'd still note that for some reason the article on the Council of Europe seems to make a big deal out of the fact that there were ten original members.

The idea I've heard most often recently, about the Biblical ten nations of the revived Roman Empire, doesn't even focus on Europe but on dividing up the entire world into ten large regions or chunks of geography.

It's all still in flux.


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Faith
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Message 189 of 313 (700595)
06-04-2013 9:52 PM
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06-04-2013 8:51 PM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Oh there is lots of interesting symbolism connected to the UN too.
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Faith
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Message 190 of 313 (700596)
06-04-2013 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by New Cat's Eye
06-04-2013 11:34 AM


Re: Reformers on Popes as Antichrist
I've posted a fair amount about the history of the Vatican and the Jesuits already on various threads so probably won't here.

Of course all this is offensive to Catholics but I'd hope to get it across that I'm aware that the vast majority of members of the Catholic Church are good sincere people who would be appalled to know what I'm beginning to know about the history of the RC Church, the papacy and the Jesuits in particular. Besides, nobody seems to mind offending "fundamentalists" here, why be particularly sensitive about Catholics?

It was good sincere Catholic priests who became the Protestant Reformers and left the RCC. It still happens today that priests even after many years recognize that the papacy is seriously wrong and leave the institution.

There are plenty of critics of the papacy and the Jesuits who remain within the RCC too though. Pascal was a good sincere Catholic who lambasted the Jesuits in his Provincial Letters. Erasmus was a good sincere Catholic who agreed with Luther that the people should have the Bible in their own language, which the papacy objected to. These men remained Catholics.

So did contemporary writers such as Malachi Martin, Peter DeRosa and Hans Kung, all severe critics of the papacy and the Jesuits. All remained within the RCC. Lord Acton of a previous generation was another severe critic who remained.

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Panda
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Message 191 of 313 (700598)
06-04-2013 10:14 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by Faith
06-04-2013 9:50 PM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Faith writes:

I'd still note that for some reason the article on the Council of Europe seems to make a big deal out of the fact that there were ten original members.


And I would again point out that The Council of Europe is not the European Union.
Anything the CoE "makes a big deal out of" is not going to support any claims about the EU.

(Not that I have seen any evidence of them making a big deal out of the fact that there were 10 original members. I would be surprised if they did - especially since it had 10 members for only 3 months. After that there were 12.)

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Faith
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Message 192 of 313 (700601)
06-04-2013 10:34 PM
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06-04-2013 10:14 PM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
READ THE WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE ON THE Council of Europe. That's ALL I've been referring to.

And a lot of the symbolism related to the C of E rather than the EU, as I've said already. And they DO work in concert as I also posted a link on. Good grief if you split hairs finely enough you could prove anything you want to prove. Try taking it all in the spirit intended.


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Message 193 of 313 (700605)
06-04-2013 11:15 PM
Reply to: Message 192 by Faith
06-04-2013 10:34 PM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Faith writes:

READ THE WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE ON THE Council of Europe. That's ALL I've been referring to.

I did read it.
The Wiki page doesn't "make a big deal" about there being 10 original members.
It mentions it once:
quote:
The Council of Europe has 47 member states. It was founded on 5 May 1949 by ten European states. Greece and Turkey joined three months later, and Iceland and Germany the next year. It now has 47 member states, with Montenegro being the latest to join.
It makes three times as many references to there being 47 member states.
And anyway, Wiki is NOT the Council of Europe.

"I'd still note that for some reason the article on the Council of Europe seems to make a big deal out of the fact that there were ten original members."
That seems to be based on your own imagination and nothing else.

Faith writes:

And a lot of the symbolism related to the C of E rather than the EU, as I've said already.

You were asked: "Any chance you could fill us in on any of these signs of the EU's involvement in the End Days?"
So far - nothing.
*shrug*

Faith writes:

And they DO work in concert as I also posted a link on.

Most major organisations (both political and religious) also work "in concert" with the EU.
America does. Protestant churches do. Charities do.
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

Faith writes:

Good grief if you split hairs finely enough you could prove anything you want to prove. Try taking it all in the spirit intended.

I find it weird that you would rather maintain your false beliefs than be corrected.

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Faith
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Message 194 of 313 (700613)
06-05-2013 2:39 AM
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06-04-2013 11:15 PM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
What you call "correcting" me is really just preferring your own opinion to mine.

I still read that article on the Council of Europe as making more of the original ten nations as something definitive than you do.

I've said I'm not clear on the differences between the Council of Europe and the European Union but my interest is in how a united Europe reflects Biblical prophetic symbolism and either will do for that purpose as far as I can tell. There seems to be plenty of such symbolism to go around. The same flag flies over both apparently.


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Panda
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Message 195 of 313 (700619)
06-05-2013 5:40 AM
Reply to: Message 194 by Faith
06-05-2013 2:39 AM


Re: Symbolism of the European Union
Faith writes:

What you call "correcting" me is really just preferring your own opinion to mine.


I have not just posted opinions - I have posted facts.
You on the other hand....
Faith writes:

I still read that article on the Council of Europe as making more of the original ten nations as something definitive than you do.


But you are unable to quote them doing so.
That is how I know that you are just making it up.
No doubt you will come back with another cry of "I must be thinking of something else!".

Faith writes:

I've said I'm not clear on the differences between the Council of Europe and the European Union


...but that doesn't stop you making spurious claims about them, does it.

Faith writes:

There seems to be plenty of such symbolism to go around.


Only if you ignore the fact that there isn't.
If you do a 'Faith' and make up things like "The 10 fans on a coin represent the 10 EU founding members!" or "The statue looks like a woman with a cup riding a 10 headed beast!"", then sure - there are many such imaginary symbolisms.
But if you instead prefer things that aren't patently false, you are left with considerably fewer.

Faith writes:

The same flag flies over both apparently.


So - your evidence that the EU is involved in the End Of Days is that it shares a flag with the Council of Europe.
LOL !!

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