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Author Topic:   Why is evolution so controversial?
Cedre
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Message 101 of 969 (724078)
04-12-2014 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by Faith
04-12-2014 11:26 AM


Welcome Faith!
Hello there. Welcome to the thread, hope you can stick around and contribute!

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Cedre
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Message 104 of 969 (724083)
04-12-2014 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by ringo
04-12-2014 11:48 AM


Re: Why so hostile?
Thanks rigno for your response!
You said
What I asked you explicitly to do was:
Give us some examples of biologists who claim we did not evolve from a common ancestor with the chimps.
so I definitely did not want you to name critics of "Neo-Darwinism".
Oh boy! Neo-Darwinism claims that we did evolve from a common ancestor with the chimps. so yeah you did ask me for critics of Neo-Darwinism which I provided.
It pretty much is.
Pretty much! What does that mean? Are you arguing that Neo-Darwinism and common ancestry are the same thing? Are you trying to tell me that if there is no common ancestry then there is no evolution?
A real scientist is somebody who actually does science. If your examples are real scientists, we'd all be happy to see the peer-reviewed papers they've published that question the theory of evolution.
A bus driver does not have to drive a bus to be a bus driver! Clearly someone can be employed as a bus driver and still not drive buses, a teacher can be a real teacher and still not teach. A doctor can be a real doctor and till not treat. Your are a little confused here.
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Cedre
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Message 106 of 969 (724086)
04-12-2014 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by ringo
04-12-2014 12:21 PM


Re: Why so hostile?
I keep asking you to stop using the term "Neo-Darwinism".
Why should I stop using it? The reason I use it to to make sure that no one misunderstand what I am talking about.
I'm arguing that the theory of evolution and common ancestry are essentially the same thing.
You clearly do not know what evolution is. So answer this, is evolution possible without common ancestry?
It's possible to be a nominal bus driver and not drive a bus; it's not possible to be an actual bus driver and not drive a bus. Your examples are nominal scientists, not actual scientists.
You do not become a real teacher the day you teach your first class, you're a real teacher when you graduate from college with a degree in education. Same goes for other professions. Sorry I don't buy your distinctions between actual and nominal!
Does a walker have to walk
This is completely different from profession, you become a real doctor the moment you graduate.
There used to be a commercial that said, "I'm not a real doctor but I play one on TV." That's what your examples are.
An actor pretending to be a doctor is not the same thing as someone with a medical degree.
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Cedre
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Message 108 of 969 (724088)
04-12-2014 1:43 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by ringo
04-12-2014 1:04 PM


Re: Why so hostile?
As I said, because it means different things to different people.
Well that's not my fault.
Calling the theory of evolution "Neo-Darwinism" is the equivalent of calling the space program "Neo-Wrightism".
Wow really? Says who?
Evolution inevitably branches out from common ancestry.
Fascinating stuff! Now will you finally answer my question, is evolution possible without common ancestry?
When you graduate with an education degree, you're qualified to become a teacher.
Word games, my friend! When you you graduate with an education degree you are not qualified to be a teacher, you are a teacher, you are qualified to teach!
A creationist on a website who is preaching the antithesis of science is definitely only pretending to be a scientist.
Someone with a degree in science doesn't have to pretend to be a scientists, he is a scientist!

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Cedre
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Posts: 350
From: Russia
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Message 112 of 969 (724092)
04-12-2014 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Theodoric
04-12-2014 1:58 PM


Re: Why so hostile?
I have a degree in History but have never been employed in that. So does that make me a Historian
Of course you are in fact a historian! Your attempts to vilify qualified scientists is ridiculous!

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Cedre
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Message 114 of 969 (724094)
04-12-2014 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Larni
04-12-2014 2:05 PM


Re: Why Is Evolution So Uncontroversial?
Finding a cow in a Precambrian layer would be a falsification of ToE as that would contradict one of it's predictions.
What are you on about dear Larni?

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Cedre
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Posts: 350
From: Russia
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Message 118 of 969 (724098)
04-12-2014 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Larni
04-12-2014 2:11 PM


Re: Why so hostile?
Not so. I hold a degree in psychology and yet I am not a psychologist.
Well, my Aunt got her psychology degree last year and called herself a psychologist from day one.

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