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NoNukes Inactive Member
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I am just no the type to sit by and have someone attack me after a simple question, You might be better of providing your answers to the people who have asked you questions about guns. I am done with you.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member
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From the CNN article
The incident raises questions about whether a child should handle such a weapon. Really? There is some serious doubt about whether we ought not let a 9 year old handle an UZI? How bizarre.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
But why are you arguing with me about the need for laws regulating guns? Where have I said I oppose that? It's possible, I suppose, that I said something somewhere that sounds like I oppose it though I don't remember saying it and nobody has quoted me on the subject, but as I sit here now I don't have any objection at all to reasonable laws regulating private ownership of guns. So what, in your opinion, would be reasonable gun control regulation?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Right now, thanks to the gun-control fanatics, although it's perfectly legal it freaks people out and the cops don't know the law and hassle you and he doesn't want the hassle right now. What in the hell is the basis for blaming this crap on gun control fanatics? Faith, you are a piece of work. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Years ago nobody thought twice about people having guns, it was normal. Things have changed BECAUSE of the gun control fanatics. Total nonsense. Open carry is not unusual because of gun control fanatics. People in general stopped carrying guns around more than a century ago unless they were going somewhere where they intended to do some shooting. Further, you blame the police not knowing the law on somebody other than the police. Really, Faith. That police department's lack of training after the legislature passes a law is to be blamed on gun control fanatics? How about some evidence? Because the crap you are spouting here is counter intuitive. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
You might have a little more respect for the responsible law-abiding citizens who own guns Wrong. I don't have any respect for uniformed and incorrect opinions, and none is due. And the idea that I have to respect someone's negative opinion of other responsible people is ridiculous. Gun advocates don't have any monopoly on being law abiding. I've given reasons for why I think your opinion is complete crap. Didn't see any rebuttal from you. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Do you own any guns yourself? What's your real name and address?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I didn't say gun control people were irresponsible. You cannot read. I did not accuse you of saying any such thing.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
You didn't accuse me of calling gun control people irresponsible? OK, but that's how I read this: "Someone's negative opinion of other responsible people?" That's what I did say, yes. I called your opinion of gun control advocates negative. Your opinion is disrespectful to large number of gun control advocates, but you think I must respect your disrespect. Nope. That's not logical.
If anybody walked through a high school even with an unbolted rifle these days everybody would scream and run for cover and call the cops. What's the law on open carry in schools in your area? Is a person doing open carry in a school a law abiding citizen? Would I be uninformed if I called the police in the situation you described?
quote: Get informed.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Why are you reluctant to answer that simple question? What's your real name and address? I can keep this up as long as you want.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
It is precisely that Gun Free School Zone act that I'm saying is the CAUSE of the school murders. If that's what you are saying then no I don't have respect for your opinion. But what you actually stated was that reacting to a person carrying a rifle in a school hallway by calling the police is unreasonable. You claimed that people would be screaming Well given that the practice is illegal, the police ought to be called. I have even less respect for your opinion it that case. We haven't lived with guns as we did in the 1800s for quite some time. If re-introducing guns surprises the police, well, then they weren't paying attention when the laws changed. It's their (the police) fault.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
You really are not making sense. In the 60s, not the 1800s, you could walk through a school with a rifle without upsetting anyone. You are going to have to demonstrate this. I don't believe people routinely brought guns to schools even in the 1960s.
No I did NOT say that calling the cops NOW would be unreasonable, Let's look at what you actually said.
If anybody walked through a high school even with an unbolted rifle these days everybody would scream and run for cover and call the cops. And that IS because of the gun control fanaticism. Yeah, looks exactly like an indictment of people today. But the truth is that the cause is not an irrational fear of guns, but the knowledge that the person coming down the hall is not a law abiding citizen. There is no gun range in the basement. The idea of having a gun range in a school basement seems a bit silly anyway. What's wrong with shooting ranges?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I'm sure the other posters and the lurkers can see that as well. I'm well aware that some gun nuts believe that gun control advocates are afraid of guns. Well regardless of whether I'm willing to give you personal information regarding whether I currently have any guns at my house, I can tell you that as a former military officer, I've carried guns rountinely and that at one time I was a pretty good shot with a 9 mm as well as with an M-16. I highly doubt that I am an great shakes with either anymore. In any event, I'm not playing your silly game, Coyote and I don't give a hoot about the people who assume an answer and question my advocacy because of it. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Shooting range in basement: ROTC. As I said. Okay. I concede the point. Surely there are some JROTC programs that have marksmanship programs even now. I'll bet that the guns don't manage to meander down the school hallways in those schools.
No, I don't think it's unreasonable to scream and run for cover TODAY at all. I think it's the law that's stupid. People ARE afraid of guns because they are no longer a normal part of American life. Which is a more reasonable statement than to just call gun control advocates zealots who cause the police not to understand the law. I don't agree with your opinion, but at least it's not just an indictment of people who want reasonable gun control measures. Gun advocates ascribe all types of motivations, emotions, and reasons to people who advocate gun control. For the most part, its not worthwhile to engage the more zealot arm of the gun advocate position in a discussion. And there are lots of distinct reasons for why states do not have open carry. Texas law, for example dates back from reconstruction. Blaming gun control zealots for open carry not being the norm in situations like that is ridiculous. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
shouldn't we be able to put basic trust in the majority of American citizens who have no criminal record and no history of mental illness and things like that So you would support background checks that would be needed to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill? Would all mentally ill people be banned from having weapons? What about families with a mentally ill family member?Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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