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Author Topic:   Religions are fairy tales for adults. Should we encourage them to grow up?
Greatest I am
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Message 32 of 424 (766729)
08-20-2015 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Taq
08-20-2015 5:52 PM


Tag
I do and do not advocate taking away anyone's rights.
I think you might have misunderstood my post.
I was asking what your limit to live and let live was, --- as it pertains to religions, --- and gave some examples that I hoped would exceed your complacency or live and let live notions and levels.
I am not sure how or where you thought that I was advocating removing rights.
Please quote that line so that I can revise it.
Regards
DL

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Message 34 of 424 (766739)
08-20-2015 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by kbertsche
08-20-2015 8:37 PM


kbertsche
I take it that this is the pertinent part.
But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
Can you love your enemy?
Let me define love for you.
Love, to be true love is close to what St. James said of faith. Without works and deed, it is dead. Love to be true love also needs reciprocity. One cannot love alone.
Your enemy is not interested in reciprocal love. He is your enemy and want to do you harm. Not share love.
So can you love your enemy? No you cannot.
Socrates, if I recall, said we could love our enemy but only after making him a friend. That is not quite the same as loving our enemy.
Do you think you could stop the line of Jews moving towards the ovens that they should love the enemy that pulled their gold teeth and were about to burn them to death?
If you could then I would have no respect for you at all.
That scripture says it must be done to be one of God's children. If God would demand that then he is not fit for our respect either.
You might want to remember that God himself does not love his enemies as he had them destroyed all over the O.T.
If he cannot follow his own rule then I wish you well in trying to.
Romans 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
Do you see God following that one literally?
He has promised to condemn the vast majority of us to hell. Is hell a good thing?
I do not think so so if God does not follow his rules then they cannot be good now can they as God would always do good. Right?
Regards
DL

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Message 62 of 424 (767004)
08-25-2015 7:43 AM
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08-21-2015 11:59 AM


ringo
You contradict yourself.
If works and deeds are required for true love, the both parties would need to act thus reciprocity must ne there or at least the desire must be assumed.
There are not many wartime stories of someone helping the enemy and such traitorous acts do not occur unless the perpetrator does not see the enemy as the enemy.
Regards
DL

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Message 63 of 424 (767006)
08-25-2015 7:56 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Faith
08-22-2015 2:30 PM


Faith
Do you think you would be able to stone people for sexual crimes?
Your bible call for that.
Are you also ready to stone unruly children?
Why do you think Christians never advocate for biblical law to be the law of the land?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGFEDYrkDek
Regards
DL

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Message 64 of 424 (767008)
08-25-2015 8:04 AM


Faith et all.
Faith worries about what gays are doing while I worry more of what the heterosexual are doing.
I just place this in the proposed O.P. and invite comment ifr and when it is placed.
Phat.
I hope my showing it is allowed and if not then please delete this post.
Sex and porn may be why women are joining Islam?
There are two statistics that I find interesting. The first is that the non-religious demographic are the fastest growing as compared to other religious organizations. The second is that women in relatively high numbers are joining Islam. We all know that Islam, a misogynous religion, has about 5,000 + Honor killings of women yearly, yet women are still moving to it from other religions and secular circles.
This clip may be one of the main reasons for it as Muslim men seem to pay much more attention to what they think is the quality of men within Islam.
Some tips for how to talk to your teen about watching porn. HINT: It's not to tell them to stop. - Upworthy
Is it possible that in sexual matters, Islam might be ahead of the West in their thinking?
If not, then what should the West do to help us save our boys and young men as well as our young girls and women from the indoctrination via porn into unhealthy and unwanted sexual habits?
Is it possible that women worldwide are telling us, --- by joining Islam, --- that they are tired of just being seen as mouths, vaginas and rectums, --- and would rather join a misogynous patriarchal religion than to remain being thought of as just mouths, vaginas and rectums?
Regards
DL

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Message 66 of 424 (767012)
08-25-2015 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by Faith
08-25-2015 8:24 AM


Faith
You seem to be ready to stone children.
You show us all what your religion has done to your morality.
"Sexual crimes undermine community, and blur the meaning of marriage as a reflection of the uniting of Christ with His Bride. You may think them trivial; God does not."
I just showed by that proposed O.P. the exact opposite but believe what you will. I think that you are quite close to insane as shown by your ability and desire to stone people to death for minor offences.
Regards
DL

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Message 68 of 424 (767014)
08-25-2015 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Faith
08-25-2015 9:39 AM


Faith
Does your WORD not say that justice is close to an eye for an eye?
Or if you will, that punishment should fit the crime or sin.
Regards
DL

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Message 71 of 424 (767017)
08-25-2015 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Faith
08-25-2015 10:05 AM


Faith
Seems you did not listen to that link.
Regards
DL

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Message 72 of 424 (767018)
08-25-2015 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Faith
08-25-2015 10:09 AM


Faith
If an rye for an eye is an obvious expression of perfect justice, as you say, then is killing for a sin that is less than killing, like sex sins and the punishing of unruly children not less than perfect justice and overkill?
Your God seems to disagree as all sin has the same overkill punishment.
Why does your God not follow what you say is perfect justice?
Regards
DL

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Message 74 of 424 (767020)
08-25-2015 10:54 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by Faith
08-25-2015 10:50 AM


Faith
So God can ignore perfect justice.
We are to emulate God in all ways so you are in a sense saying that we too can ignore perfect justice.
You can try to justify your belief system but it falls flat.
If your God cannot even follow what you say is perfect justice then like many believers, you cannot give a moral judgement as your religion has corrupted your morals where you will forgive your God for doing what you would condemn men for doing.
Regards
DL

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Message 76 of 424 (767023)
08-25-2015 11:49 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Faith
08-25-2015 10:59 AM


Faith
Perfect even though your do not see it.
How brain dead you are.
Regards
DL

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Message 79 of 424 (767026)
08-25-2015 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by ringo
08-25-2015 11:50 AM


^^
Quite the reach.
Forced aid is hardly loving the enemy.
Regards
DL

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Message 83 of 424 (767061)
08-25-2015 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by ringo
08-25-2015 12:03 PM


ringo
Doing something so as not to be charged with a war crime is not love.
Further, we are talking of individuals loving and the deeds are only going the one way in the scenario you envisage.
Regards
DL

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Message 84 of 424 (767062)
08-25-2015 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Faith
08-25-2015 2:23 PM


Faith
You hate quite a bit based on faith.
Nice that you admit that faith has blinded you.
Faith closes the mind. It is pure idol worship.
Faith is a way to quit using, "God given" power of Reason and Logic, and cause the faithful to embrace doctrines that moral people reject.
The God of the OT says, Come now, and let us reason together, [Isaiah 1:18]
How can literalists reason with God when they must ignore reason and logic and discard them when turning into literalist?
Those who are literalists can only reply somewhat in the fashion that Martin Luther did.
Faith must trample under foot all reason, sense, and understanding.
Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has.
This attitude effectively kills all worthy communication that non-theists can have with theist. Faith closes the mind as it is pure idol worship.
Literalism is an evil practice that hides the true messages of myths. We cannot show our faith based friends that they are wrong through their faith colored glasses. Their faith also plugs their ears.
Regards
DL

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Message 86 of 424 (767066)
08-25-2015 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Faith
08-25-2015 5:29 PM


Faith
And you call the evil God does good and give as your excuse your stupidity that you say God gave you.
As to logic and faith being compatible. No way as shown by your own founding father, Martin Luther.
But go ahead and call him a liar. On that I will agree because all priests and imams lie constantly.
Neil Tyson is a lot brighter than you or I and he agrees with me.
Not that you care because if you did, you could not hate as much as you want to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRHefbIgKxk
Regards
DL

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