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Religions are fairy tales for adults. Should we encourage them to grow up?

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Message 149 of 424 (767270)
08-27-2015 1:15 PM 		Reply to: Message 129 by Faith
08-26-2015 7:17 PM

No, what God said should and did have plenty to do with our justice system, back when it was rational and based on the Ten Commandments
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What was the very first commandment? How should that commandment be implemented in the US justice system?
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Where is homosexuality mentioned in 10 Commandments?
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08-28-2015 6:35 PM 		Reply to: Message 151 by Faith
08-27-2015 2:03 PM

The question is whether this right of sincerely advocating that same-sex marriage should not be condoned, and seeking to teach these principles, etc., extends to Christian business owners who refuse to provide a service for a gay marriage, or to a public statement of the same beliefs as opposed to merely confining it to their private lives.
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In the majority of states, homosexuals are not a protected class so you are free to discriminate against them. This is being dealt with at the state level.
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Also, a business is not a religion. If your religious beliefs prevent you from running a legal business, then you need to find a new business. Freedom of religion does not extend to commerce.
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Message 172 of 424 (767390)
08-28-2015 6:36 PM 		Reply to: Message 154 by Faith
08-27-2015 3:39 PM

Re: Clerk refuses to issue marriage license to gays
So far it seems to be the clerks whose job is to issue marriage licenses where the limitations on Christian freedom are being felt.
That statement by the Supreme Court is clearly meaningless. There is no meaningful right or freedom upheld in allowing acvocacy against gay marriage in private, and the First Amendment never limited religious rights to private occasions. Where the rubber meets the road is where a Christian is asked to do something that violates Christian faith, such as being asked to issue a license for a gay marriage. The context will of course expand as time goes on.
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If doing your job causes you to violate your religious beliefs, then you should find a new job. I don't see what is wrong with that.
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08-28-2015 6:40 PM 		Reply to: Message 159 by Faith
08-28-2015 4:46 AM

Re: Clerk refuses to issue marriage license to gays
Laws designed to drive Christians out of their jobs and businesses are a new thing.
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They said the same thing of segregation.
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If you can prevent yourself from discriminating against hindus, why can't you do the same for homosexuals? It would seem that hindus are sinning way more than the homosexuals since they are breaking one of the Ten Commandments . . . the first one if I may say so.
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08-31-2015 4:01 PM 		Reply to: Message 175 by Faith
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Re: Clerk refuses to issue marriage license to gays
Brand new law never before in existence, barely two months old at this point, just happens to challenge the Bible. Just HAPPENS to challenge the Bible.
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Challenge what part of the Bible? Where in the Bible does it say that you can't issue gay marriage licenses as part of your job?
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It does remind me somewhat of how Hitler dealt with the Jews, taking away their rights by stages, starting with their guns I think, through law.
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When did Christians ever have the right to refuse upholding the law as elected officials?
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08-31-2015 4:03 PM 		Reply to: Message 188 by Faith
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Re: Clerk refuses to issue marriage license to gays
This is about Christians being required by the law to act in a way that violates God's commandments to US.
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Where did God command that Christians not issue gay marriage licenses as required by law or not bake cakes for gay people?
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