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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
If a person is on one or more of a certain list of drugs associated with acts of violence
Please provide your evidence. You keep spewing crap but there is nothing backing it up. Lithium is used to control mental health issues. Many people live very productive lives because of psychotropic drugs. You want to vilify people because they acknowledge their mental health issues and are doing what science says is what they need to do? I have no more pity left for you, just disgust.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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Citizens Commission on Human Rights? Really? That is your reputable source?
You do know what Scientology is don't you? I would think a good Christian like you would run far away from anything Scientology related. I wouldn't trust them without any references. Citizens Commission on Human Rights - WikipediaFacts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
The rub is that the pro-gun side would never allow anything that would allow for screening. All that is need is a background check and a form asking if you are on any drugs or under psychiatric care. Works in Canada.
Just a moment... Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
This is from someone that was in the room. Not some sensationalist reporter or preacher raising money to buy a new house.
quote:Gunman in Oregon college shooting executed classmates, saying 'I'll see you soon' - oregonlive.com Put it to rest.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Did you bother reading the article? It gives context to the earlier reports.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Then how the hell can you comment on my post. Wow!!
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Amazing how the ammoland article gives no references to support the assertions.
So you want to ban everyone with mental health issues from owning guns? The ammosexuals won't allow basic background checks, how are they going to go along with this. This is all just a red herring.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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Herein lies the whole rub. The current "conservative" movement looks at compromise as weakness. They expect the whole world to fall in lock step with their worldview. Though within that movement there are many differences. Progressives need to learn, as President Obama finally did, there is not compromise with them. We can offer compromises but the radical right will not compromise.
Ed Kilgore has a great opinion piece that expresses this.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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As I see it there are two rightwing , ammosexual fantasies that drive them. One is the idea that a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun. When you actually look at it, this is a very scary idea. The last thing we need is untrained or minimally trained people engaging in firefights. Americans have watched too many moves and played too many video games. The idea that a weekend of training makes one capable of stopping a school shooting is ridiculous. Law enforcement and armed forces receive continual training and many instances with law enforcement show that even what they receive is not enough.
The crazy thing is that schools that have armed teachers are providing minimal training. Argyle School district in Texas has a 30-hour training course that involves firing 900 rounds of ammunition. Error 404 - Page Not Found Even military veterans say this is a bad idea. Page not found | The Nation The second right wing ammosexual fantasy is the whole I am going to save the US from a tyrannical government. No one can show that this was the intent of the 2nd amendment. The founders were actually worried about the armed rabble and that is why they were for an armed, organized, well regulated militia. Not these yahoos in their self styled militias we have today. That is another argument for another day. In order to justify their need to oppose government tyranny is the myth that armed farmers, shopkeepers and laborers defeated the British in the Revolutionary War. This is myth and revisionist history. The rabble got their asses kicked every time they went up against the British regulars. The continental forces did not achieve anything of significance until they were trained and were a real army. The armed rabble usually were a hindrance because they had no discipline. The militia, being undisciplined and prone to panic caused the loss of a few battles. The Battle of Camden is a prime example. Militia and armed rabble can not stand against regular army troops.During the latter years of the war the militias were used to draw in the British, who knew the militia forces would break easily. This was used brilliantly by General Daniel Morgan at the Battle of Cowpens. So what was the key to winning the Revolutionary War, if not the armed populace, which is over emphasized. Gun ownership was much lower than what people perceive. Guns were expensive and for someone that lived in a town or city, they had no practical purpose. Remember this is before most industrialization or cartridge guns. Handguns would have been extremely rare. The key to winning the Revolutionary War was the British unable to or unwilling to commit the resources needed and the French Kingdom.If Rochambeau had not convinced Washington to give up his plan to retake New York or if De Grasse had not defeated the British Navy at the Battle of the Chesapeake. There is a good chance the USA as it is never would have come into being. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. |
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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Wow! There can be no rational discourse on the subject with gun nuts can there.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
One of the primary arguments that gun proponents make is that the citizenry needs to be armed in order to have the capability of fighting back against an oppressive or corrupt government.
This is a gun nut fantasy that has no basis in reality. The founding fathers never expressed this interest and it has never happened in real life.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
You and Percy seem to have misunderstood me. Insurrections have happened, but they have not been the the masses armed with their personal weapons overthrowing the government.
The whiskey rebellion would be a strange example for the gun nuts to use. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
They would have to show that they really aren't standing up for the Constitution and rule of law. They would also have to show that their so called reverence for the founders is in actuality an opportunistic sham.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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The thing is ammosexuals do not care about people that commit suicide. They will not even concede that reducing suicides should be considered in the debate. Basically their attitude is fuck 'em, they are losers anyway.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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You really should research gun laws and ownership in Switzerland before you use it as an argument. Switzerland does not work as a pro-gun argument. If you think it does go ahead and present it.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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