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Topic: Why did the Christian messiah fail to fulfill the messianic prophecies?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Another "nonsense" charge by Ringo?
LamarkNewAge writes: I think the bulk of the evidence goes against your sentence.
If you want to discuss vegetarianism, start a thread. Frankly, I don't think we need to go past Genesis 4 but feel free to knock yourself out - in the appropriate thread.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Yet another "nonsense" charge by Ringo?
LamarkNewAge writes: How to respond to this?
I respod by repeating: Take it to an appropriate thread.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Vegetarian issue "nonsense", "off-topic"?
LamarkNewAge writes: James was a vegetarian ALREADY IN 62 A.D.according to all the evidence....
You're looking at extra-Biblical evidence. This is the Bible Study forum. Whatever you might have to say about vegetarianism, you're only hurting your own case by dragging it into a topic where it doesn't belong.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Another "nonsense" charge by Ringo (no jar!)?
LamarkNewAge writes: The Temple was a messianic issue.
That doesn't mean that every subject you can vaguely connect with the Temple is a messianic issue. I'll be happy to discuss vegetarianism with you IN THE APPROPRIATE THREAD. In this thread, either DROP IT or go bother somebody else.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Back to Ringo and his claims of "nonsense".
LamarkNewAge writes: This is not nonsense.
What does it have to do with messianic prophecies?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: "Take it to an appropriate thread."
LamarkNewAge writes: Very important when it comes to learning where Jesus was coming from in his views on there RELEVANT issues.
Actually, Jesus' views aren't relevant to this thread. The only question is whether or not He fulfilled the messianic prophecies. If He thought He did, that doesn't matter.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Back to Ringo and his claims of "nonsense".
LamarkNewAge writes: Pay attention.
To what? All you did was quote a few passages. Tell us how Jesus did or did not fulfill the prophecies.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Back to Ringo and his claims of "nonsense".
LamarkNewAge writes: It said ....
Make... an... argument. In your own words, tell us exactly how those passages confirm or deny that Jesus was the Messiah. The case may be clear in your own head but it certainly isn't coming across clearly.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Back to Ringo and his claims of "nonsense".
LamarkNewAge writes: I'm making an argument based on the words of Jesus himself.
You may think you're making an argument but I can't even figure out which side you're on. Do you believe Jesus fulfilled the messianic prophecies or not? Of course, you can't base your conclusion on the words of Jesus Himself; that would be like believing what a con man said about the deed to the Brooklyn Bridge.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Back to Ringo and his claims of "nonsense".
LamarkNewAge writes: Better than taking the "prophecy fulfilled" references of the evangelists that wrote the Gospels. They came a good ways after Jesus, and that was just their attempt to see Jesus in the Old Testament. I will stick to words of Jesus and James myself. Not the works of later men.
But you only have "the works of later men" to tell you what the words of Jesus were. And you still haven't said whether you believe Jesus fulfilled the messianic prophecies or not.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Back to Ringo and his claims of "nonsense".
And you still haven't said whether you believe Jesus fulfilled the messianic prophecies or not.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 288 of 716 (788585)
08-02-2016 11:46 AM
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Reply to: Message 285 by GDR
08-01-2016 6:41 PM
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Re: Temple
GDR writes: The Christian contention, (including mine) is that the resurrection is affirmation of what John says in the first chapter of his gospel.
But that's what makes your reasoning circular. You only have the resurrection to confirm the fulfillment of the prophecy but the resurrection stands on the same foundation as the claims of fulfillment - thin air. If the New Testament writers were wrong about the fulfillment of prophecy, they could be wrong about the (literal) resurrection too. You're taking both as a point of faith.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Back to Ringo and his claims of "nonsense".
Is that a yes or a no?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: Back to Ringo and his claims of "nonsense".
LamarkNewAge writes: ringo writes: Is that a yes or a no?
Are you asking about the Gospel of Matthew saying this?
I'm asking this:
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Do you believe Jesus fulfilled the messianic prophecies or not? Message 280
I can't make head or tail from your posts whether you're trying to confirm the Christian belief or refute it. There's no need to quote volumes of Josephus. Just tell us which side you're on and we can try to go on from there.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Re: RINGO is getting to something we need to consider-MIDRASH
LamarkNewAge writes: Any better ideas.
Answer the question.
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