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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
LamarkNewAge writes:
If you want to discuss vegetarianism, start a thread. Frankly, I don't think we need to go past Genesis 4 but feel free to knock yourself out - in the appropriate thread.
I think the bulk of the evidence goes against your sentence.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
LamarkNewAge writes:
I respod by repeating: Take it to an appropriate thread.
How to respond to this?
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
LamarkNewAge writes:
You're looking at extra-Biblical evidence. This is the Bible Study forum. James was a vegetarian ALREADY IN 62 A.D.according to all the evidence.... Whatever you might have to say about vegetarianism, you're only hurting your own case by dragging it into a topic where it doesn't belong.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
LamarkNewAge writes:
That doesn't mean that every subject you can vaguely connect with the Temple is a messianic issue. I'll be happy to discuss vegetarianism with you IN THE APPROPRIATE THREAD. In this thread, either DROP IT or go bother somebody else.
The Temple was a messianic issue.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
LamarkNewAge writes:
What does it have to do with messianic prophecies?
This is not nonsense.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
LamarkNewAge writes:
Actually, Jesus' views aren't relevant to this thread. The only question is whether or not He fulfilled the messianic prophecies. If He thought He did, that doesn't matter.
Very important when it comes to learning where Jesus was coming from in his views on there RELEVANT issues.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
LamarkNewAge writes:
To what? All you did was quote a few passages. Tell us how Jesus did or did not fulfill the prophecies.
Pay attention.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
LamarkNewAge writes:
Make... an... argument. In your own words, tell us exactly how those passages confirm or deny that Jesus was the Messiah. The case may be clear in your own head but it certainly isn't coming across clearly.
It said ....
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
LamarkNewAge writes:
You may think you're making an argument but I can't even figure out which side you're on. Do you believe Jesus fulfilled the messianic prophecies or not? I'm making an argument based on the words of Jesus himself. Of course, you can't base your conclusion on the words of Jesus Himself; that would be like believing what a con man said about the deed to the Brooklyn Bridge.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
LamarkNewAge writes:
But you only have "the works of later men" to tell you what the words of Jesus were. Better than taking the "prophecy fulfilled" references of the evangelists that wrote the Gospels. They came a good ways after Jesus, and that was just their attempt to see Jesus in the Old Testament. I will stick to words of Jesus and James myself. Not the works of later men. And you still haven't said whether you believe Jesus fulfilled the messianic prophecies or not.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
And you still haven't said whether you believe Jesus fulfilled the messianic prophecies or not.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
GDR writes:
But that's what makes your reasoning circular. You only have the resurrection to confirm the fulfillment of the prophecy but the resurrection stands on the same foundation as the claims of fulfillment - thin air. If the New Testament writers were wrong about the fulfillment of prophecy, they could be wrong about the (literal) resurrection too. You're taking both as a point of faith.
The Christian contention, (including mine) is that the resurrection is affirmation of what John says in the first chapter of his gospel.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Is that a yes or a no?
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
LamarkNewAge writes:
I'm asking this:
ringo writes:
Are you asking about the Gospel of Matthew saying this? Is that a yes or a no?quote:I can't make head or tail from your posts whether you're trying to confirm the Christian belief or refute it. There's no need to quote volumes of Josephus. Just tell us which side you're on and we can try to go on from there.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
LamarkNewAge writes:
Answer the question.
Any better ideas.
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