So-Called "Persecution Against Christians":

That's not even a complete sentence.

Is the issue now grammar? (it was a header, not a sentence btw)Have you dropped your initial disruption (like my original point was difficult to grasp)?

I'm sorry, I'll stop replying. I don't think I'm capable of effectively communicating with you.

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I don't think I'm capable of effectively communicating with you.

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Honestly, is this really difficult to understand?Here is the text again"False prophets were to die without mercy (Deut. 13:5; 18:20; cf. 7:2), for their words, like a deadly cancer, would spread confusion, unbelief, and ultimate disaster to all who heeded them ( II Tim. 2:17).
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Far more dangerous to the well-being of any people than thieves or even murderers are the disseminators of doctrinal errors (Isa. 9:14-17; Matt. 23:15)."Those with differing religions are worse than murderers so they should die without mercy according to God.This by prominent creationists who constantly complain of public (schools and such)persecution and "false" scientific theories (like geology that denies a flood and the creation 6000 years ago and which promotes evolution).Is it that difficult to understand?Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.

Ok, I'll try harder. Just tell me your point and I will see if I can understand it. Okay, understood. I don't know that that means. What by creationists?What do you mean: This by creationists?

I quoted whom?

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The Genesis Flood
50th Anniversary Edition

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by John C. Whitcomb and Henry M. Morris

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The Genesis Flood is as timely, thought-provoking, and helpful as ever. A tour de force and a must-read resource for pastors, teachers, scientists, and anyone who is troubled by the conflict between the biblical account of creation and the ever-changing claims of modern evolutionary theory.
John MacArthur, Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, California

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Over 50 years ago, Henry Morris and John Whitcomb joined together to write a controversial book that sparked dialogue and debate on Darwin and Jesus, science and the Bible, evolution and creationculminating in what would later be called the birth of the modern creation science movement.

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This seminal work defined the science and Bible debate in the 20th century. If Genesis is true, then the Flood and its after-effects must explain most stratigraphic and fossil evidence. Drs. Morris and Whitcomb brought their scientific and theological expertise to bear on the question of the biblical account of a worldwide flood and how it aligns with earth’s history written in the stones.

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Continuously in print for 50 years, The Genesis Flood offers a definitive treatment of the biblical and scientific evidence of the global Flood in the days of Noah, presenting a solid case for the Bible’s authority and accuracy in all areas. With a new preface by Dr. Whitcomb, and a memorial foreword by Drs. Henry Morris III and John Morris, the 50th anniversary edition of The Genesis Flood is a must-have for every Christian’s library.

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The new 50th anniversary edition of The Genesis Flood

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Click here to order your copy today!

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The Genesis Flood 50th Anniversary Edition | The Institute for Creation Research

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then amazon blurb.

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Over fifty years ago, Henry Morris and John Whitcomb joined together to write a controversial book that sparked dialogue and debate on Darwin and Jesus, science and the Bible, evolution and creationculminating in what would later be called the birth of the modern creation science movement.

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Now, fifty years, forty-nine printings, and 300,000 copies after the initial publication of The Genesis Flood, P&R Publishing has produced a fiftieth anniversary edition of this modern classic.

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Editorial Reviews

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Review

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"The Genesis Flood is as timely, thought-provoking, and helpful as ever. A tour de force and a must-read resource for pastors, teachers, scientists, and anyone who is troubled by the conflict between the biblical account of creation and the ever-changing claims of modern evolutionary theory." --John MacArthur, Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, California

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"The publishing of The Genesis Flood fifty years ago is the recognized birth-date of a movement blessed by God, and this classic work is also now recognized as a monumental milestone in the fight against compromise in the church and for biblical inerrancy in general during our skeptical modern era." --Ken Ham, President, Answers in Genesis and The Creation Museum

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"This book remains a classic work that is a must-read for those who would be informed and equip themselves both to stand on the authority of God's Word in every area of life and knowledge and to defend their Christian faith." --Andrew Snelling, BSc (Applied Geology), PhD (Geochemical Geology)

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About the Author

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John C. Whitcomb studied at Princeton University and has a PhD from Grace Theological Seminary.

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Henry M. Morris was president of the Institute for Creation Research, Santee, California. He studied at Rice University, obtained his PhD from the University of Minnesota, and served on the faculties of several major universities.
https://www.amazon.com/...ood-50th-Anniversary/dp/159638395X

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I'm getting tired of crap like this.

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[Cat Sci]
I don't know that that means.

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What by creationists?

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What do you mean: This by creationists?

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Look at what I said. He will complain about grammar again, and change the subject.

Look man, I'm not reading all that crap you copied and pasted.I honestly do not know what point you are trying to get across to me.I tried. I failed. Have a nice day.

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I don't know that that means.

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What by creationists?

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What do you mean: This by creationists?

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Definition of by in English
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Identifying the author of a text, idea, or work of art.

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‘a book by Ernest Hemingway’

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BY | Meaning & Definition for UK English | Lexico.com

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I used a demonstrative "This" but I quoted the book and its idea just before the demonstrative.

I think he may be attempting to completely derail this thread.He may have succeeded.

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Look man, I'm not reading all that crap you copied and pasted.
I honestly do not know what point you are trying to get across to me.

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I tried. I failed. Have a nice day.

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You just want to make lame attacks.This site suffers from crap like this.I made a short quote from a prominent creationist (they say evolution is a theological doctrine) talking about killing those with different religions and doctrines.You made this into some crap shoot.

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No one is trying to stop you from being a Christian. The country is not growing hostile towards Christians. It’s just growing hostile towards extremist, religious bullies, who are trying to hijack the nation and force everyone to live under their own set of morals and ethics.

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There is a lot of hatred directed toward scientists.Look at the respected John F. MacArthur and all his venom.

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JOHN: Is there a more serious thing than that? Is there a more deadly, more devastating, a more destructive, a more ungodly act than to openly and purposely and publicly denounce the veracity of the Bible? Is there a worse crime? Is not that the crime of all crimes? Because if you can’t believe what the Bible says, all is lost. And if you think because you have a Ph.D. in microbiology that you are the judge of all the earth and you have a right to edit what God has revealed by His Holy Spirit, then we better run over to wherever you are and bow down, because we need to worship you since you’ve got it right and the writers of the Scriptures, though inspired by the Holy Spirit didn’t get it right. I mean, there is no more serious crime than that. That is the ultimate crime, is to attack the veracity of Holy Scripture at any point.
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JOHN: It’s totally a theological issue.

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PHIL: Sure. So for scientists to make dogmatic declarations on the relative importance of how we understand Genesis is really out of their realm anyway, isn’t it?

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JOHN: Yeah. And I really think that there’s no difference between BioLogos and Darwin. They don’t like the God of the Bible. They don’t like what the God of the Bible says. I know the Templeton Foundation doesn’t like what the Bible says.
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JOHN: The bottom line was, okay, you don’t have death until the fall in the third chapter of Genesis. So how can you have all these life forms living, and dying, and elevating, and ascending, and everyone better than the next, and all this evolutionary process going on for billions of years when you don’t even have death till the third chapter of Genesis?
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PHIL: So this is not a dispute over some nuance of hermeneutics and how you interpret this isolated verse in an early chapter of Scripture. It is the essence of Christianity that’s at stake.

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JOHN: Absolutely the essence of Christianity.
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PHIL: So, would you say it’s a fair statement to say that evolutionary doctrine is a direct challenge to foundational doctrines of the Christian faith?

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JOHN: It is a direct challenge to the most foundational doctrine, and that’s the doctrine of Holy Scripture.

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Evangelicals, Evolution, and the BioLogos Disaster

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This respected Christian leader just wrote a favorable blurb for the 50th anniversary edition of a book that was by leading creationist lights (and one of which has made statements that speak of doctrinal errors being worthy of death in God's eyes.).I think is it scary and we need to understand the mindset.Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.

A lot of copy/paste and other blather having little to nothing to do with the topic theme.Adminnemooseus

Then I said: I understand the cultural battle. Faith based organizations should be embraced as well as other forms of community assets, but no church or religion should predominate and exclude all other religious or secular approaches. The keyword is balance. So I suppose we can all agree that there is persecution of and discrimination against many minority ethnic and religious and secular groups in this country and that Christianity---being a majority group--is largely exempt from persecution in the United States. Not yet. Lets continue with our discussion, shall we?

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A lot of copy/paste and other blather having little to nothing to do with the topic theme.

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Holy crap.I initially was just posting a small quote (which I expected to be essentially ignored as it wasn't anything huge, I didn't expect a 12 post crapathon over it) which I thought was relative to the creation/evolution issue of "persecution" and court room dramas over classroom textbooks and teachings. My second post was actually an attempt to bring the disruption (of CatSci and nwr) to an end and then to get back to offering a post to Dr Wise (a productive and kind poster he is, I, however, didn't require nor expect a response) which was my initial concern. That worked real well (no it didn't - see posts 27 and 28)See this link for a reminder of the creation/evolution issue.New Creationist Movie Is The Latest Religious Right 'Christian Persecution' Film | Right Wing WatchSee this for more reminders. (and I do suggest you see this google page below as it has hits that almost all cover movies about creationist Christians claiming persecution by evolutionists)GoogleBtw, how was my post #120 off topic in this thread (a thread about Gnosticism!)?EvC Forum: Why did we stop inventing gods?No need to respond on the issue of gnostic thread, my comment (and link) can be considered just rhetorical. I am trying to get into a discussion with GIA (though I have been busy lately, and might have to delay the discussion if he shows interest). This thread, however, was not an attempt to get into any discussion (not much anyway). And I'm referring to normal discussion, do remember that I had no clue that there would be a bunch of hateful shots and attempts to smear.Sorry Dr. Wise for all this crap. You deserve better (I still remember you making some real interesting posts on the gnosis issue when I was blathering back around December or January. I took notes on paper.).I really am sorry.Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.

I don't think we even need to take it that far. As most objective and fair minded people see it, there is no persecution of Christians in the US.Which, again, takes me back to my "far right of center" religious family. Sometimes I will overhear my mom, dad, or grandma make a reference to some story about how a poor Christian was persecuted here in the States. 99% of the time it is a completely false conspiracy theory started by right wing groups. 99% of the time I just choke back the instinct to let my family have it for believing these stories and just nod, waiting for it to be over. My mother has grown quite fond of saying how religious expression isn't politically correct any more, as if it is some burden that can't be born by Christians any longer.My favorite moment of the last two months was during a car ride with mom, pop, and grandma. In the back seat was a plastic toy soldier. I asked my mom where it came from, since there aren't any little kids in the immediate family anymore. She said it was from church. The pastor passed out little toy soldiers so that people could pray for our troops. I didn't think anything of it. Sounded fine to me. My mother then said how some people thought that they shouldn't be doing that, leaving the "that" as a vague reference. The first thought through my mind is that some people might balk at the idea of praying to a little figurine of a solider, that it could be taken for some kind of idol worship. I was just about to say that when my mom interrupted me and kind of spat out, "People don't think praying for our troops is politically correct". The first three words through my head were "What the Fuck!". Glad I didn't say those words out loud either.There are some groups of people who have created a whole fantasy land where they are the victims of vicious, pervasive, and government sanctioned persecution. Some of my family happens to be part of that group. Love 'em to death, but they do make me frustrated at times.I also see this same group following a particular presidential candidate this year, but that is probably best handled in the other thread. However, that is their dog whistle. Whenever you hear a politician saying something like Christianity not being politically correct, you 100% know who they are going after. They are going after the vote of the fantasy land Christians who think they are being persecuted.