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Diomedes
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Message 7 of 26 (792697)
10-13-2016 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Phat
10-13-2016 2:40 AM


Re: More Questions
The Bible was written for each person to interpret as he or she chooses
11)Agree, but if the person has the Holy Spirit, they will interpret largely the same as every other Spirit filled reader.
'largely the same'? As evidenced by the copious numbers of Christian religions that exist, it appears that there is far too much vagueness with regards to the scripture and how it is being interpreted.
Consider the commandment of keeping the Sabbath day holy. Most Christians nowadays honor the Sabbath on Sunday. Yet anyone that knows the history of the scripture (and speaks a little Greek like I do) knows that 'Sabbath' is from the Greek word 'Σάββατο' (pronounced 'savvato'); which means 'Saturday'.
So if the vast majority of Christians are now honoring the wrong day, that seems like a pretty big snafu in my mind.

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Diomedes
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Message 9 of 26 (792700)
10-13-2016 10:23 AM
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10-13-2016 10:13 AM


Re: More Questions
I was always taught that the word sabbath means rest.
The root derivations of sabbath are unclear; but as I noted, sabbath is associated with a specific day of the week. Which is unequivocally 'Saturday' as evidenced by the Greek translation and the fact that when looking at a weekly calendar, Saturday is the last day of the week; from left to right, the week starts on Sunday and ends on Saturday.
Thus, if one is commanded or even encouraged to rest one day a week, it can be a day of ones choosing.
If you look at the commandment, it states the following:
quote:
"Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy"
That to me indicates that god is referencing a specific day and asking people to keep that day holy. More details in Exodus are as follows:
quote:
"Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."
I don't see any interpretations indicating that the day is variable. It seems to be stipulating that a specific day is honored as the sabbath.
And therein lies my point: if a book is so vague and open to interpretation, then how can it be a viable source of any ethical or moral standards? Even the commandments themselves are vague.

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Diomedes
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Message 12 of 26 (792705)
10-13-2016 11:08 AM
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10-13-2016 10:25 AM


Re: More Questions
Do you believe that the current calendar has some kind of continuity dating back to the time God commanded us to keep the Sabbath holy, or back to the creation of the universe? I personally find either idea difficult to believe.
I actually don't believe any of this; I am an atheist.
The point I was attempting to make is the level of interpretation that is apparent with regards to the bible and how believers essentially just cherry-pick what works best for them. Despite the fact that many also deal in absolute terms with regards to other areas of the bible.

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Diomedes
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Message 14 of 26 (792707)
10-13-2016 11:14 AM
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10-13-2016 10:36 AM


Re: More Questions
Not in Spanish speaking countries. The week starts on Monday and ends on Sunday.
Correct. And that is due to the fact that most are Roman Catholic. And while it is unclear, most agree that Pope Sylvester changed it around 300 AD.
Note that most in the Jewish faith honor the sabbath as Saturday. As do Seventh Day Adventists.
Once again, back to my original point: with this much interpretation and ambiguity, why do so many believers deal in absolutes when they themselves can't agree?

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