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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
See my post above. There is no mention of any signature count at all, let alone a suggestion that it doesn't agree with the number of ballots issued.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2135 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Something doesn't agree or there wouldn't be a problem.
Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1 "Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
As I sad, see my post above. Or read the article. It looks as if the problem may be nothing more than trouble getting votes to register, and the election workers failing to adjust the count. We simply can't tell from the information given that there is any indication of fraud at all.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
What I don't agree with is the idea that our government should legislate morality on its citizens. Interestingly enough, so do I. My post was not a defense on the taking of the Italian's hotel, but instead on the whole idea of charity to refugees which are at least in part a group of folks that some folks denigrate based on their religion. If that particular is not commanded to help them, then surely you and I are. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
How are the refugees your "friend?" And why do you get to dictate how a person is to be kind to anyone anyway? To the first question, surely you remember the lesson of the good Samaritan and surely you also note that some of the verses refer to charity to strangers and aliens. As for why I get to dictate. I do not. Jesus provided the blueprint. In any event, you appear to be writing your posts as if I am speaking to the Italian hotel owner rather than to you. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) History will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the strident clamor of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people. Martin Luther King I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson Seems to me if its clear that certain things that require ancient dates couldn't possibly be true, we are on our way to throwing out all those ancient dates on the basis of the actual evidence. -- Faith
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
"Friend" is not the word Jesus used in the story of the good Samaritan. It certainly does not describe Muslim refugees. Helping Muslim refugees by bringing them into another culture is being an agent of violence, rape andmurder and subjugation of that culture. That's not charity and Jesus would not require it of anybody. And in fact that would be hating your neighbor, the neighbor who is a citizen of the culture you are threatening by bringing in Muslims.
Islam is not just another religion, it's a totalitarian ideology that will not adapt to different cultures or respect other religions who to them are all "infidels." They will pretend anything, however, when they are not in the position of power, they are willing to lie to infidels, willing to make false treaties and contracts with the infidel they will later break, because service to "Allah" is above all relationships with infidels. Using the meaning of loving your neighbor in the sense of the Shalt Nots or any other sense, Islam has no such moral standard. And they are willing to wait for the opportunity to dominate the infidels as long as they must, pretending they have no such intention. Those who are genuinely moderate are simply not true followers of their religion, but that could change at any time. They are ticking time bombs. Read the book "Philistine" by Ramon Bennett where he quotes Muslim leaders on their strategy. If you want to help the refugees help them in a way that doesn't require committing suicide or murder or other violence, and how dare you suggest anyone who knows the reality of Islam is guilty of refusing to love our neighbor if we are against bringing them into a culture they despise. We love our neighbor by not subjecting those already here to such a danger. Help settle the refugees in a Muslim nation. Help them in the refugee camp. Take the gospel of Jesus Christ to them; take them Bibles. THAT would be genuinely loving them. After you've hated your citizen neighbor by subjecting them to such dangers and brought them in anyway, then make laws against Sharia, make laws against allowing them to create "no-go" zones, make laws against the hijab and against all the alien facets of their totalitarian ideology that is at odds with our culture. That would be loving them and it would be loving your neighbor both refugee and citizen. Otherwise you are dangerously deluded and putting the nation in danger. But the main topic is whether a government has the right to force anyone, the example being the hotel owner, to use his hotel for any purpose against his will, such as to accommodate refugees no matter who the refugees are. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
coyote previously writes: According to state law, precincts whose poll books don’t match with ballots can’t be recounted. If that happens, original election results stand. Perhaps the recount is identifying this kind of fraud. The problem is, if the totals don't match you go with the original count, making the fraudulent results the official ones. That's insane, so I did some checking:
quote: Bold added. Looks like the recount is then done by a different system than the original method, which would be a sane approach anyway. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 887 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined:
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The way I understand it is if there are discrepancies between the books and the voting machine there is no way to be sure where or when the inconsistencies were introduced and the default is the original count. For example, if ballots were removed AFTER the original results were calculated, then a discrepancy would be found but a recount would record the erroneous results.
The big problem, as I understand it, in Michigan is that there are 75,000 ballots that appear to have no selection for president. It really doesn't surprise me though. I almost left it blank... (which in reality by voting third party I pretty much did leave it blank). Apparently that is what made Stein call for a recount in MI. That and the troubles they have had in Detroit. Of the three states petitioned for a recount, I think MI is the only one that could potentially flip, although very unlikely. HBDWhoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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herebedragons Member (Idle past 887 days) Posts: 1517 From: Michigan Joined:
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Do you really think Jesus would advocate building a wall to keep out undesirables? or approve of vilifying an entire group of people? or living in a spirit of fear and worry? or putting safety and security over the needs of people? Don't think for a second that Trump's plans include love and help for the Muslim people - they are exclusionary. They are based in fear and nationalism - not love!!
I don't see how you can claim to be a follower of Christ and write the things you wrote in this post. "take them Bibles..." really? People that are fleeing for their lives from a terrible war between a brutal dictator, a rebel army and a radical terrorist organization should be given Bibles???? I will agree with one sentiment you expressed. I wonder why other Muslim nations are not willing to help their own people. Islam is supposed to be about uniting the Muslim people, instead they are oppressive and violent to each other. However, I don't blame this on the Muslim religion, but on human nature. Just like "Christian" nations have hardly been peace-loving and generous to other nations; it's not fair to blame that on the Christian religion, instead it comes from people's own evil desires and their use of religion as an excuse or a cover for their own evil desires. Same goes for Muslims. (I am not saying that Islamic ideology is good or equal to Christian ideology, I am simply putting the blame where it belongs - on human selfishness and ambition) I would also agree that the government should not have the right to force someone to give up their personal property. But I would also ask the question, would Jesus regard personal property as an absolute right of the individual? I don't see that... in fact, to me Jesus' message is that love for God and people trumps everything else, even our personal property, our security, our freedom, our individual rights, everything. That is NOT the message Trump and yourself are pushing - instead it is a message of fear, intolerance, self preservation, nationalism and judgement - not LOVE. HBD Edited by herebedragons, : No reason given. Edited by herebedragons, : typo Edited by herebedragons, : typoWhoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca "Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem. Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: If that number is based on the machine count rather than ballots issued, then it would support my ideas about the discrepancy between the two figures in Detroit. If it is based on ballots issued, I have to wonder if many of them were due to the machines failing to register the choice.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
The Christian United States of America has not always been the welcoming nation it claims to be.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Faith writes: I have never said anything against LEGAL immigrants or refugees. Yes, you have.
You guys can't say anything without insinuating racism or some other PC category, can you? It's got to be ad hominem, you can't treat opponents with respect. Boy have you been taught well. Is it possible to find fault with the Black Lives Matter protests just because they are violent, illegal, and trumped up by Leftists like Soros? Obviously not, any objections MUST be racist. That way you can shut up legitimate objections. And you don't even know you are just falling for tactics designed to produce destructive movements, vilify and blame people who don't deserve it. I never said anything about racism. You are projecting. You claimed that the "Leftist Police" were subjugating the American populace. I pointed to a movement that was fighting back against the misuse of power at the hands of police. Do you support it or not? Probably not, right?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Faith writes: "Friend" is not the word Jesus used in the story of the good Samaritan. It certainly does not describe Muslim refugees. Helping Muslim refugees by bringing them into another culture is being an agent of violence, rape andmurder and subjugation of that culture. Huh? They are free to move back once the violence has subsided.
Islam is not just another religion, it's a totalitarian ideology that will not adapt to different cultures or respect other religions who to them are all "infidels." Muslims have been in America since its inception. Also, you need a history lesson. Look up "Crusades".
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Who is free to move back where?
Let me quess: You are actually arguing that because of the crusades we should let Muslims into the country to rape, riot, burn cars and murder us? And eventually take over the country for Allah? Also, the Crusades were a papal operation, nothing to do with the genuine Christianity which founded this country. In any case it's you who need the lesson. I recommend the book I mentioned, "Philistine" by Ramon Bennett. He quotes Muslim leaders revealing the real agenda of Islam. The fact that some Muslims have adapted and not become radicalized is a good thing, but that doesn't change the fact that Islam itself is a totalitarian ideology that refuses to adapt or respect other religions who are all "infidels." There is no way of knowing, either, whether apparently adapted Muslims have really adapted or are "sleepers," who would become jihadists once there are enough of them to make it effective. I'd only be reassured if they renounced Islam altogether. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Except of course for the fact that reality shows you are simply spouting nonsense. Muslims live all over the world, even Thank God, in the US and there is absolutely no evidence that they rape, riot, burn cars and murder us as often as Christians rape, riot, burn cars and murder us or try to take over the government as often as Christians try to take over the government.
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