The Brand New Birther Thread

That seems to be a pattern. You are more than willing to swallow any lie, as long as it aligns with your already existing biases. That seems to be a pattern you share with most people on the political right. Facts be damned, what matters is what you want to be true.

Warner gives FACTS, something you yourself can check out if you would. It's all about facts, what Islam actually says in its scriptures, and facts about what actually happened in history, mainly about how Islam was spread by violence and murder.It's ALL about facts, it's not about my personal judgment. And one of the facts is that Islam teaches lying to infidels. You ignore that one at your peril. Of course "Muslim sources don't confirm" these claims. Of course. It would be absurd to expect the wolf to confirm the chicken's point of view because they'd be kicked out of the hen house if they did.If the facts are facts they can't be refuted. I can't "dictate" facts. What "assertions" would you have me support? I've many times quoted others, provided links to information, and so on. In this case I've put up a video of an expert in Islam talking about how he's treated to all the usual accusations I get here too. That should be recognized as factual enough. He says he talks only about facts, not about people, so that those accusations are way off the mark. While he touches on some doctrine in this short video if you want to find out what he thinks you'd have to listen to a lot more. You can check out yourself. If I tell you about it you won't believe me anyway. I consider all this of great importance to anyone who would like to go on living peaceably in a Western country. I consider it a form of suicide to ignore such information.But you would have to put some effort into finding out about it. It's easy to boil it all down to my personal errors, but it isn't ABOUT my personal errors.ABE: I'm adding this late so it may cross your answer unfortunately. Here's another video of Warner, explaining Political Islam: Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Cost is down. And video games are marked "M" for mature instead of "I" for immature. New Speak reigns.

No, he lies which is easily determined when we do check out reality. Remember Faith, some of us have actually read both the Qur'an and even the Bible.

Us Unenployement rate Please see Unemployment in the U.S. - Google Public Data Explorer . --AdminYou can cry about it all you want Facts are facts, obama got the worst unenployement rate in 40 years and braught it back to normal levels. Nothing has changed about how its measured and it is measured the same way everywhere else. Your just pissed that that ni..... did a good job even thoug everybody was against him.And i know you live in a fantasy land where magic beings and gods but if republicans dont wake up from their fact free world soon a con man is going to run off with EVERYTHING your country is worth. Edited by frako, : No reason given.Edited by Admin, : Google prevents it's content from being embedded.

LOL isn't that the pot calling the kettle African american You do know how Christianity was mainly spread right?

As I said, I don't understand enough about economics to argue these things, I simply gave you my understanding of what I've been hearing and it may be wrong in various ways but the general gist is the main thing, and the general gist of it is that the economy has taken a dive under Obama. And if nothing else I would think the way Wall Street has rallied with the promise of Trump's Presidency ought to be evidence of that. That the economy can be manipulated and has been manipulated and is being manipulated by big banking interests I can't prove. If you don't want to know about it I'm sure you have the option of not knowing about it.If Trump is the con man you claim he's incredibly good at deception. But the Left has already stolen the things of greatest worth from this country anyway.

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Warner gives FACTS, something you yourself can check out if you would.

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What you call facts. Which as we know often do not check out - for one relevant example see Message 116

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It's ALL about facts, it's not about my personal judgment

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Quite obviously it is more about your personal judgement. You declare things to be facts without offering the slightest support other than someone has a video saying so.

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And one of the facts is that Islam teaches lying to infidels. You ignore that one at your peril

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Then please show that it IS a fact.

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Of course "Muslim sources don't confirm" these claims. Of course. It would be absurd to expect the wolf to confirm the chicken's point of view because they'd be kicked out of the hen house if they did

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It is not so absurd when you realise that Muslims are quite thoroughly divided in many ways. It would, for instance, be quite possible for an extremist group to make such a claim and for a more liberal group to loudly condemn it.So how do we tell the difference between a claim that is not supported because it is a "secret" and a claim which is not supported because it is a fabrication ?

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But you would have to put some effort into finding out about it. It's easy to boil it all down to my personal errors, but it isn't ABOUT my personal error

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Again, if you are proclaiming something as fact without offering any support then it may well be your personal error. It would hardly be the first time. And I really do not like watching videos even when it is practical (right now it is not) and nothing you have said makes me think this one will be worthwhile.

Yes I do, and it wasn't by violence and murder.

That's not just wrong in "various ways", it's wrong in every conceivable way. Or it's evidence thatt Obama's still President ...Dow Jones - 10 Year Daily Chart | MacroTrends Not really, most people can see through him. If you can't, that's because you're exceptionally good at being deceived.

Well the reallity is quite different, but i get it, so called news sites of rightwing persuasion tend to ignore facts 24/7 and scream all day how terrible obama was. In reality when bush handed over the rains to obama the wagon was halfway of the cliff now the stock market is high, unenployement is low. Thats just a fact.But there is a second reason why the general gist of trump voters is that way because of coal mines. Obama shut down loads and loads of them you know to save the planet from that fictional leftwing conspiracy climate change. Trump will bring those jobs back though and its not a good thing.

Elaborate please.

Slavery? Segregation? The right to hang Quakers? Your guess is as good as mine.

No, it's called privacy. Multiple witnesses have confirmed he was called Obama at the time. Or do you only believe witnesses when their memory is vague? It's more fishy that we aren't allowed to see documentns from Trump's tax returns. They are private, but modern Presidents, and those candidates who stand, tend to release them (all Republican and Democratic candidates have in modern history). Like crooked Hilary did. It bothers me a little that birthers faked a document, yes. Doesn't it bother you? Apparently not. Yep. Vague. And you have qualifications in fraud detection of birth certificate documents? Because if so, you should have notified those lawyers raising those cases. They couldn't find one that agreed with them.Looking at them a lot is not sufficient. I covered this in my post. It's not that wierd when somebody says 'No, he was not born in Kenya, he was born in the USA' is it? First off: Why do you believe a terrorist's wife?
Second: The person he met was never identified as foreign, or Obama.
Third: It was 30 years ago. You don't remember the faces of random strangers you briefly encountered from 30 years and neither does anybody else. The mailman doesn't even say he knew it was Obama, he just thought it was and he thought that this fellow was the same person as had been spoken of in some previous conversation without any particularly good reason other than, 'he was black'. He 'matched the description'. But you don't give your mailman a photorealistic description of somebody you know. At best you'd them as perhaps 'African' of a certain height and build. Hardly the basis for identifying someone later.
Fourth: The mailman says he spoke to Ayers' wife herself about once or twice a year. Hardly familiar with the family even.
Fifth: There is no verification of any part of the story.
Sixth: The mailman only remembered that the name was strange, possibly african. Therefore even the alleged foreign student was never identified - never identified and never tied to the person he met later who was also never identified.
Seventh: The mailman could not pin the event down to a single year, clearly it was not a strong memory.So no, not evidence.Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

Prove it. I want citations from the Qur'an, the Hadith and the theological interpretation from a mainstream well respected Islamic religious scholar in the form of a fatwa. Then we can talk. I've shown you on at least half a dozen occasions when you raise this how and why you are wrong. You never respond. So now you do the legwork. Convince me.