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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
In fact we are pointing out that your "Biblical definition of marriage" is irrelevant. And if you don't care whether your stated reasons are valid or not then they obviously aren't your real reasons. But I disagree with your opinion. The Biblical definition I gave is what it is ALL about, and your disagreeing makes no difference. The definition I gave is valid, it's what all the Christians who have disobeyed the SCOTUS ruling consider to be the definition, it's what they've all acted on, and your opinion is what is irrelevant. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
You and Trump need to learn that US laws are not allowed to target specific religions. They apply equally to ALL religions. So if a Satanist baker refuses to make a cake for a True Christian wedding, he's breaking the same law as you are.
... it's about a law dictating to Christians, forcing us by law to accept something that is against our Christian conscience....
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
You don't get it. Those who disobey the law know why they disobey it and have no desire whatever to suffer. But we all know that as long as the law stands without any modification that we will be punished if we are put in the position of disobeying it. There's nothing complicated about this, I've stated it from the beginning of the thread.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
True, but we know that Christianity is the truth, and that's why the devil is particularly after us and would have no reason to bother about anybody else disobeying it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Shakespeare predicted it:
It's still not completely clear, but I'm not at all surprised to hear there are witches -- in Hollywood and elsewhere -- dispatching their demon friends to do him in.quote:Hollywood (filthy air) and no doubt San Francisco (fog) too. And of course, you've been telling us for years that fair is foul and black is white.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
The devil doesn't need to go after you. You're imploding quite nicely on your own.
True, but we know that Christianity is the truth, and that's why the devil is particularly after us and would have no reason to bother about anybody else disobeying it.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: But it isn't just an opinion. It is rather obvious that allowing gay marriage does nothing to stop,anyone who wants to from getting married in a way you find acceptably "Biblical"
quote: It doesn't seem to have much to do with it at all. SCOTUS dealt with marriage as a legal matter. You can consider gay marriages to be invalid in religious terms all you like - but how you get from that to not baking cakes for gay wedding receptions needs rather more explanation.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
None of this is about personal sins, it's about the ordinance of marriage given by God. It isn't about people being gay, it's about marriage and God's definition of it. Out of curiosity, could you point me to where God clearly defines what constitutes marriage in His opinion? That would be helpful, thanks. Genesis 2:24: Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. And Jesus quotes it where He's preaching against divorce:
Matthew 19:5-6 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Also in Mark 10:8 Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's perfectly clear to those who have disobeyed the law, so you shouldn't need any explanation or if you do it's probably beyond anyone's ability to succeed at explaining it to you.
The Biblical law defines marriage. It's between a man and a woman exclusively.; It is of such strength that it makes man and woman "one flesh." Nothing else qualifies as a marriage. But SCOTUS extended the definition to include two of the same sex. A Christian who believes the Bible definition is authoritative will not do anything to appear to treat any other idea of marriage as legitimate.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So as we have said, it is simply a matter of folk wanting to suffer instead of learning what God wants.
Got it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
The language in the Bible isn't exclusive. It says what a man shall do, not what he shall not do.
It's between a man and a woman exclusively.
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
The thing is I don't know God's will in this case. So if they succeed in destroying him that's God's will and you should accept it. Just like the court decisions on LGBT issues. God's will. We know you're infallible but do you really go ggainst God's will?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Probably because I'm not gullible enough to fall for silly lies. Really, why does it matter if the legal rights associated with marriage are extended to gay couples ? That IS the real issue. It is certainly what SCOTUS decided.
quote: The Bible offers an idea of marriage (or more than one, really). But why should you care if secular society recognises others ?
quote: So it's just like Sharia law. Religious authority has to dictate civil law or you will protest. Perhaps you can show Biblical authority for that, but I doubt it.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
But why should you care if secular society recognises others ? You mean besides the fact that we are citizens of that secular society and the law sets us up to be criminals because of what we believe? Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Now, now Faith you're putting it backwards. Secular society decided to recognise other forms of marriage. Some Christians decided to protest against this by refusing to provide related services - even though there were existing laws which required them to provide such services. If they didn't care enough to break the law, they wouldn't be criminals. So why do they care ?
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