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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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The problem is that all the OTHER evidences are just a distraction since what I posted trumps them all. IF you would think about it. But you prefer the distractions, can't even get you to focus on the evidence I've presented. You accuse me without even thinking about the evidence. It's the evidence that shows the truth, I'm not believing anything except what the evidence shows. Indeed it is the evidence ... ALL the evidence. Cherry picking isolated choice items does not explain the rest of the evidence. How do you explain the radiometric isotope concentrations being sorted with the trilobites in Message 390? We can ask the same question with foraminifera and diatoms -- organisms that are free floating in the ocean, and when they die their shells\tests settle to the ocean floor, year after year after year. In the real world we can also date them to millions and millions of years ago with radiometric isotopes, isotopes in dust particles that blow over the ocean and settle to the bottom year after year after year. Relative age by layers, anchored age by radioactive isotopes, ages that hold up around the world. How does water match radioactive isotopes with biostratigraphy? Enjoy Edited by RAZD, : .by our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
If you have contradictory evidences you go with those that are indisputable and put aside those that require something to be true that you can't prove.l
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
So did Charles Manson. I know when I'm right. (You're not the best judge. *cough* Beam in the eye.)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
RAZD Message 391: How do you explain the radiometric isotope concentrations being sorted with the trilobites in Message 390? Faith: If you have contradictory evidences you go with those that are indisputable and put aside those that require something to be true that you can't prove. What is indisputable is that the trilobite species are sorted in different layers for different species, and the sediments in those layers are also sorted for different radiometric isotope concentrations. Two sets of data that are consilient in the sorting. Explainable by actual real world age, not explainable by flood flying carpet fantasies. What you can't prove is that water does anything like this type of sorting for either category, trilobites or radiometric isotopes. So it looks like you have to go with the actual real world age .... by your argument. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.5
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I think that what Faith means is that she goes with evidence that "supports" her case because she refuses to dispute it (no matter how bad it is) and rejects evidence that contradicts it - because she disputes it (no matter how good it is).
Which only demonstrates ridiculous bias. (And Faith, if you want to disagree, come up with evidence for the Flood that is actually indisputable - because you haven't yet)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The trilobites are nothing more than cousins, and for whatever reason the Flood did sort sediments and creatures. You have no proof for your theory either, it IS all theory, period.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
The trilobites are nothing more than cousins, ... Irrelevant. Are the radioactive isotopes cousins too?
... and for whatever reason the Flood did sort sediments and creatures. ... How does the magic flying flood know which isotope is which?
... You have no proof for your theory either, it IS all theory, period. Curiously I'm just giving you the facts, you can't handle the facts. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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Faith writes: The trilobites are nothing more than cousins, and for whatever reason the Flood did sort sediments and creatures. You have no proof for your theory either, it IS all theory, period. To back up what RAZD said, it isn't a theory that rock layers are sorted by their isotope content. It is an observable fact. How does a flood magically sort rocks so that the igneous rocks towards the bottom of the stack of rocks have a higher Ar concentration than the rocks at the top? How is a flood able to sort trilobites and igneous rocks so that trilobites are always found below rocks with a specific K/Ar ratio? We are not using radiometric dating here. We are simply measuring the isotope content in rocks which is an observable fact. How does a flood do this? Edited by Taq, : No reason given.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined:
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Faith, please answer me a question: trilobites and crabs are both shelled sorts of seafood, at least for some consumers. They are similar in size. They seem to be somewhat similar in dietary preferences. But they have NEVER been found fossilized together. Why is that?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I don't know, which I've said many times before. All I can say is that water sorts things, otherwise I stick to arguments I know prove the Flood without question.
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JonF Member (Idle past 198 days) Posts: 6174 Joined:
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Water doesn't sort things in the manner we observe. If a fludde sorted like water it would sort nearly indistinguishable* things together. Such as trilobites and crabs. Such as plesiosaurs and dolphins. Such as many other examples.
But we don't see that. Therefore either it didn't happen or it's a miracle performed by a Being dedicated to lie to us in every aspect of His creation. *In their shape, size, and mass; also in their environment and escape capabilities, but those only matter to the other risible "sorting theories" of YECs.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined:
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I don't know, which I've said many times before. All I can say is that water sorts things ... How can it possibly sort different isotopes Faith? They react the same in chemical reactions, so the water would have to use some unknown physical means -- like magic. You have two possibilities: (1) the old age of the earth is the truth, or (2) your god plants false evidence to delude people, and where do you draw the line on where that false evidence leads ... if the bible is the word of god and he is leading us astray then there must be a false narrative in the bible, that is the logical conclusion: ALL is illusion.
... otherwise I stick to arguments I know prove the Flood without question. ... and ignore the possibility that you could be deluded. Enjoyby our ability to understand Rebel☮American☆Zen☯Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: I don't know, which I've said many times before. You are not alone Faith. Not one person who tries to support a Biblical flood has EVER been able to explain how a flood, even a magic flood could sort either the geology that exists in reality or the biological specimens that exist in reality or any other fact seem in reality. The Biblical Flood is as DOA as Young Earth or Creationism.
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edge Member (Idle past 1736 days) Posts: 4696 From: Colorado, USA Joined: |
Faith, please answer me a question: trilobites and crabs are both shelled sorts of seafood, at least for some consumers. They are similar in size. They seem to be somewhat similar in dietary preferences. But they have NEVER been found fossilized together. Why is that?
Intelligent sorting. The floodwaters were special. They could tell Olenellus from Glossopleura and put the former at the top of the lower Cambrian and the latter at the top of the middle Cambrian. Edited by edge, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
So you say, and that's all you guys have, your own unprovable opinion. It is known that water sorts things and makes layers of sediments And as long as the Time Scale is the utterly irrational interpretation of the strata that it is, and as long as there is other evidence of the Flood, which I've given, it's reasonable to assume it sorted things exactly as we see them in the strata.
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