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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1475 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Author | Topic: Exploring (mostly Cultural) Marxism in today's Left | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Do you think workers deserve a secure retirement?
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yet it has been the Marxist, Socialist, Progressive and Communist perspectives that have actually DONE anything.
Which is why ALL of the Goats will be Christians.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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So so far it seems that the principles of Marxism are all things you want and support.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
quote: source It seems that just as with Marxism your sources are either utterly ignorant, deluded or dishonest.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Your source is either an ignorant fool, deluded, dishonest or jess seeing how gullible you can be.
My source and quote was from the Satanist church itself. Your source is someone willing and it seems eager to lie to con you.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: Class hatred. Exactly. That's what Marxism promotes. Except once again reality says you are simply posting falsehoods. There is no class hatred in Marxism. That is another lie that is marketed by your source. What Marx makes clear is the fact that society can be described using classes where the term involves characteristics. Are you claiming that the wealthy do not exist? Are you claiming there are not business owners and workers? Are you so deluded that you think business owners and workers do not have different needs and priorities?
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: So you think the confiscated Ethiopian Lutheran radio station didn't broadcast that Communist Satanist version of 1 Corinthians 13? Correct. I do not believe that. It sounds like the typical Fundy televangelist bullshit.
Faith writes: We don't need class hatred, we don't need the evil Marxist analysis that pits one against another, the Marxist recipe for violence of the formula Oppressor versus Oppressed, we need a Christian mindset to promote equity and fairness. Yet more misrepresentation from you Faith. Marxism does not promote hatred of classes rather it tries to honestly explain the different goals and needs of the classes. And the Christian mindset is another absurdity. There is no such thing as "The Christian Mindset" as is clear from your posts.
Faith writes: America in fact has always been known for its success at that very unifying way of thinking. Again, reality simply shows you are posting utter nonsense.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Your book is not evidence of anything except the fact that a nutjob wrote a book and some people actually believe that foolish material in it.
Fortunately most Satanists have a better chance of making it to heaven than most Christians. BUT...nothing your nutjob guy wrote has anything to do with Marxism in today's Leftism. As usual you have totally failed to present one single iota of support for the topic or even the existence of Leftism. Classic Fail as usual Faith.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: The idea that Satanists would go to heaven before Christians is also indefensible. Satanists wouldn't want to be in heaven since they hate God and wouldn't want to be in His presence, or anywhere His will is obeyed, or anywhere sin isn't committed. Of course it is defensible since what you and the nutjob pastor are marketing are simply falsehoods and misrepresentation both from the Biblical perspective and reality. You and the nutjob are simply posting lies about the Biblical Character Satan and about Satanism. I provided you a link to the reality of Satanism so you can even check yourself and learn the truth instead of simply believing a nutjob.
BUT nothing in the nutjob's book is relevant to the topic. The topic is "An Exploration of Marxism in today's Leftism" and so far you have offered NOTHING relevant to that topic.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: I believe the west has come under these influences because we have abandoned Christianity and incurred God's judgment, but that's my view, not the video's But that too is simply a false statement and misrepresentation of reality and irrelevant to the topic under discussion. So far Faith all you have presented are irrelevancies and falsehoods. Give us some evidence of any Marxist based factors in today's US political landscape. Not your imaginary cultural Marxism whining but an actual example. Stop saying really stupid thing like "Political Correctness is the term for the popular tool of intimidation used by the Cultural Marxist Left to enforce this program of destruction of everything good, consisting of the epithets racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic and so on, intended to suppress all dissenting views. " since it is patently obvious that no one is suppressing disenting news although il Donald has said he would try to do so.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
caffeine writes: The very foundations of Marxism are based on the fact that an antagonism of interests between two classes is the most important aspect of modern society, and that the road to true freedom and progress lies in the fight against the bourgeoisie and the ultimate abolition of their class and all it stands for. I still don't see class hatred there. Yes, Marxism does build on the existing (and at the time very real) class struggle and the antagonism between the two. Yes, it does propose a transfer of power from one group to the other but the topic is "An Exploration of Marxism in today's Leftism" and there is no similar demands today for abolition of any class and if you read Trotsky (who really was a Marxist) it is quite clear that the demands of the time were meant to apply to a specific time and era. So where is the evidence for any Marxism in today's Leftism?
caffeine writes: Now, you can say that this is simply a rational analysis of class relations and has nothing to do with class hatred. But if you did we'd take you as seriously as those who rant about the dangers of Islam and then claim they're just doing calm analysis rather than being Islamophobic. And that too is fine. But it would make you seem really silly.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Riggamortis writes: I'm supposing you're right and arguing that communism is more compatible with Christian values than capitalism anyway. Jesus was certainly a Communist but not a Marxist. But Faith has still failed to show any Marxism in today's Leftism (whatever that is).
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
"Cultural Marxism" is about as real as the Biblical Flood, Garden of Eden, Conquest of Canaan, the Exodus or Young Earth; in other words simply a fantasy.
The fact is that there is almost no Marxist facets in today's left.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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is that no one has shown any evidence of any Western decline. In fact the reality shows just the opposite; far from any decline there has been a steady increase in morality, health, well being and longevity, particularly in the more secular, liberal, progressive and socialist nations. Granted the US does seem to have fallen behind in all areas and in direct relation to the rise of the Christian Right Fascist movement beginning around the time of Reagan.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: It's totalitarian, it defines everything for us, we have no need to think, in fact thinking risks running afoul of the party line. They control us by their PC epithets. Or you who agree with them control the rest of us. It's a diabolically effective form of censorship, enforcer of conformity and denier of freedom of speech. Once again though, reality shows you are simply posting nonsense. You have shown no evidence that anyone controls you, censors you, enforces conformity or denies freedom of speech.
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