Really? I guess you did't read anything I've quoted from the book Marx and Satan? All the pitiless denunciations of God and Christ and the whole human race? And there's more there I haven't yet quoted and may not. How about Aleister Crowley (and he does have followers today too).
Caffeine thought the name "Friedrich" was mispronounced with a hard "ch" on this You Tube reading. It sounds softer to me but what do I know. Did you hear it? It's around 22 seconds into the video. Tell us what you think of the reader's pronunciation:
Your book is not evidence of anything except the fact that a nutjob wrote a book and some people actually believe that foolish material in it.
Fortunately most Satanists have a better chance of making it to heaven than most Christians.
BUT...nothing your nutjob guy wrote has anything to do with Marxism in today's Leftism.
This kind of rude abusive attitude makes me often regret ever posting anything here. Pastor Wurmbrand was no "nutjob." He's a well respected Christian pastor who was tortured and imprisoned in Romania under Ceausescu for fourteen years for his faith, three of them in a cell deep underground, and wrote many inspiring books.
Richard Wurmbrand (March 24, 1909 — February 17, 2001) was a Romanian Christian minister of Jewish descent. In 1948, having become a Christian 10 years before, he dared to publicly say that Communism and Christianity were not compatible. As a result, he experienced imprisonment and torture by the then Communist regime of Romania, for his beliefs. After serving five years (1959-1964) of a second prison sentence, he was ransomed for $10,000. His colleagues in Romania urged him to leave the country and work for religious freedom from a location less personally dangerous. After spending time in Norway and England, he and his wife Sabina, who had also been imprisoned, emigrated to America and dedicated the rest of their lives to publicizing and helping Christians who are persecuted for their beliefs. He wrote more than 18 books, the most widely known being Tortured for Christ. Variations of his works have been translated into more than 60 languages. He founded the international organization Voice of the Martyrs, which continues to aid Christians around the world who are persecuted for their faith.
The idea that Satanists would go to heaven before Christians is also indefensible. Satanists wouldn't want to be in heaven since they hate God and wouldn't want to be in His presence, or anywhere His will is obeyed, or anywhere sin isn't committed.
Believe whatever you want about me, but you are very wrong about the other two points.
That whitewashed list has already been posted here. You need to read some of the quotes I've posted from the book Marx and Satan
Message 126 gives Wurmbrand's description of Satanic practices, which I knew about years ago.
In other posts I quote some of Marx's friends whose writings have satanic themes. Marx himself wrote poetry with satanic themes when he was a teenager but I haven't quoted any of that yet.
Wurmbrand keeps asking, why, if Marxism/Communism is about an economic system and improving the lot of the proletariat, does it spend so much effort on abusing Christian believers. What's the connection? There isn't any, what it demonstrates is that hatred of God is more important than any merely human objective, and that's what makes it Satanic.
It might be in some sense "logical" that Communists would arrest priests and pastors as counterrevolutionaries. But why were priests compelled by the Marxists in the Romanian prison of Piteshti to say Mass over excrement and urine? Why were Christians tortured into taking Communion with these as the elements? Why such an obscene mockery of religion? Why did the Romanian Orthodox priest Roman Braga, whom I knew personally when he was a prisoner of the Communists, and who presently resides in the U.S.A., have his teeth knocked out one by one with an iron rod in order to make him blaspheme?
The Communists had explained to him and others: "If we kill you Christians, you go to heaven. But we don't want you to be crowned martyrs. You should curse God first and then go to hell."
In the prison of Piteshti the Communists would force a very religious prisoner to be "baptized" daily by putting his head into the barrel in which his fellowsufferers had fulfilled their necessities, meanwhile obliging the other prisoners to sing the baptismal service.
A theology student was forced to dress in white sheets (in imitation of Christ's robe), and a phallus made out of soap was hung around his neck with a string. Christians were beaten to insanity to force them to kneel before such a mocking image of Christ. After they had kissed the soap, they had to recite part of the liturgy.
Some prisoners were compelled to take off their trousers and sit with their naked bottoms on open Bibles.
Such blasphemous practices were perpetrated for at least two years with the full knowledge of the Party's top leadership. What have such indignities to do with socialism and the well-being of the proletariat? Were their anticapitalist slogans not merely pretexts for organizing Satanic blasphemies and orgies?
Marxists are supposed to be atheists who believe in neither heaven nor hell. In these extreme circumstances, Marxism has lifted its atheistic mask to reveal its true face, the face of Satanism.
Communist persecution of religion might have a human explanation, but the fury of such perverse persecution can only be Satanic.
In Romanian prisons and in the Soviet Union as well, nuns who would not deny their faith were raped anally, and Baptist girls had oral sex forced on them. 47 Many prisoners who were so treated died as martyrs, but the Communists were not satisfied with this. Using Luciferian techniques, they made martyrs die blaspheming because of the delirium provoked by torture.
Cultural Marxism, Critical theory, PC, Multiculturalism, Islamophobia etc
It's seven and a half minutes which is probably too much for many here but this video is a really good condensed presentation of what Cultural Marxism is. The opening statement makes it clear that it's the application of Critical Theory, which was discussed earlier on the thread, and intrinsic to today's Leftist politics.
It includes an explanation of why the epithet "Islamophobia" is Marxist, which was denied on the thread. I'm glad to see it includes a criticism of the utterly destructive work of Theodor Adorno who is usually not mentioned in this connection, but his attack on western civilization has been very influential, and I believe it should be called satanic.
Political Correctness is the term for the popular tool of intimidation used by the Cultural Marxist Left to enforce this program of destruction of everything good, consisting of the epithets racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic and so on, intended to suppress all dissenting views.
(I believe the west has come under these influences because we have abandoned Christianity and incurred God's judgment, but that's my view, not the video's.) . .
I'm not particularly interested in defending conservatism on this thread, though I will say that in general it's a HUMAN way of thinking and Marxism is not.
The book Chiroptera recommended, by Kolakowski, is a repudiation of orthodox or classical Marxism in favor of Cultural Marxism, but Cultural Marxism, which is what the video I posted is about, is every bit as destructive.
There is nothing good about Marxism. What people think is good about it could be much better pursued on the basis of the principles of Christianity, and we should be trying to get back to that. That certainly includes taking care of the workers, and it certainly means a concern for humanity rather than the class hatred Marxism promotes.
This thread is an exploration of Marxism in today's leftism. I gave you my modern leftist view that blends elements of communism with capitalism.
I wasn't really able to deal with your post because it focuses on economics which is not really what I'm trying to get at. My concern is what could be called Marxism's "critique" of culture, which is really the dismantling of culture, a destructive attack on culture. This critique is basically Postmodernism, another name for Marxist Critical Theory, which has taken away the idea of absolute truth and moral standards and relativized us to the point that we hardly have any sense any more of truth or moral standards and the culture is indeed falling apart.
I don't know what any of this other drivel has to do with the main topic.
Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the concept of Cultural Marxism?
Are you claiming that modern leftism is based on satanic practices that allegedly occurred 150 years ago? Or did you just want to rant about Marx being a satanist? '
For arguments sake, Marx was an evil satanist. So what?
I hadn't read the book in years and had forgotten what it said. Rereading it now has, yes, brought me to consider that there is something basically satanic about Marxism itself.
The particular practices of the Satanic church are less important than the active love of Satan and hatred of God as presented in the Bible, as expressed in the writings of many of Marx's friends and later leaders of Communist regimes (a great many of them started out serious Christians: both Marx and Engels but later also Stalin, and others I've forgotten).
Such a frame of mind would certainly have influenced such a document as The Communist Manifesto although of course the influence would not have been overtly expressed. If your desire is to ruin the world, as Marx is quoted to have said at one point, if you hate most of the human race, which I've also quoted of Marx but also Engels (including hatred of Jews, Slavs, Russians, blacks and British among others, including the proletariat whose wellbeing they were supposedly championing), if you think Satan represents everything good and God represents everything bad, (if you think love of neighbor and enemy is bad but getting revenge is good) then how could the theory they developed be anything but satanic? The devil knows how to make evil sound good, he's very successful at seducing the human race, having been working at it since his first great success in Eden.
I think that's a false analysis and that Marxism creates class hatred. Certainly is doing so in the US these days. They are reinventing racism in America for which there is little continuing rational basis. The whole politically correct arsenal is intended to keep racism alive. Now of course it's mostly anti-white racism. And of course like a Marxist you refuse to see the problem with Islam and accuse those who do of Islamophobia.
You know so little about what has been argued on this thread I don't know where to begin to answer your post. Did you even read the OP? Any of the quotes from the book Marx and Satan? May I suggest that you at least listen to the video in Message 185?
Re: Cultural Marxism: The Architects of Western Decline
I haven't said anything in favor of the Right and I have my own complaints on the level of politics.
What I'm getting at here is the ideology of the Left, specifically the Frankfurt School who did have a tremendous influence on the generation of the sixties and whose ideas are now embedded in the culture. You keep addressing something in your own mind rather than what I'm actually presenting here. This most recent video is highly biased, I agree, so the one in Message 185 might be easier to watch, it's shorter and more focused on the ideology itself.
Re: Cultural Marxism: The Architects of Western Decline
What I'm getting at here is the ideology of the Left, specifically the Frankfurt School who did have a tremendous influence on the generation of the sixties and whose ideas are now embedded in the culture.
I watched the video. The arguments it made were mostly about how the MSM portrays things.
That's not how I remember it.
I see both sides of the MSM as corporate propaganda. They mislead the public by omission reagarding the financial system every day.
I've tried to tell you I'm not up on economics so there's no point in trying to tell me about it. I hear the right discuss it too and it just goes over my head. I have, however seen some discussion of capitalism versus Marxism/Communism as economic theories and am definitely on the side of Capitalism -- again, as economic theory. This is an entirely different subject from what politicians do. Human nature can distort anything. Don't blame bad economic policies on Capitalism when it's just people being people. If there's a battle to be fought, right the right one. Communism is the wrong one.
That is why I'm saying that your paranoia of the 'left' is based on the fact that you've been reeled in by the 'right'.
You don't know me and you don't know what has influenced me so please keep your theories about what motivates me to yourself. I lived through the growing influence of the Frankfurt School when I was still a liberal, or thought I was, and I hated it even then, without having much ability to say why. Mostly it made me nervous, some kind of force taking things over that just made me nervous. It was Destructive at least, hating America which I loved, destroying things for no good reason, making people hate each other, calling my family "Oppressors" -- my working class Democrat father? Yes that was implied in the evil stuff people were believing. DO NOT TELL ME HOW I CAME TO MY OPINIONS. I BECAME a conservative much much later, after becoming a Christian also much later. I have an independent mind, I did not need the "right" or anyone to tell me what to think. I decide whether what someone else says is right or not, I decide it, they don't. I had no idea what conservatives thought back in the sixties when I thought I was a liberal. Oh I heard all the leftist hatred of the right though. It was years before I actually read conservative opinion. Those who recognize the evil in Cultural Marxism and its pervasive influence in today's world I believe are right based on my own judgment from my own experience. I was SO relieved to discover there are such people in the world after being surrounded by nothing but "liberals."
Those on the other hand who are convinced of the rightness of Cultural Marxism got it at university where professors made the case for it day after day until they ended up brainwashed.
They're both still pushing the infinite growth model in spite of the fact that it isn't conducive to the long term survival of our species. It is destroying and polluting our planet. It will end in catastrophe.
I suspect you've become convinced of a wrong theory, but in any case that's not the subject on this thread. There are other threads that discuss that so maybe you could get on one of those or start your own.
I care about the world my son will inherit more so than the amount of money. I care about the world his children and their children will inherit.
We all care about that. Every day I worry about the world my grandsons are growing up into.
We need a democratic revolution and it needs to be at least somewhat socialist to be able to address sustainability as a priority.
Your very strong opinion doesn't belong on this thread but you might be able to make a good case for it, just not here. I might even agree with you about some of your opinion, except that if we need a "revolution" I'd see it as a revolution that restores basic American values to America after the destruction of the culture by the Left.
That is a fact any reasonable person ought to be able to deduce after some thought and an honest look at the situation.
Forgive me if I have the temerity to have a different opinion.
You keep addressing something in your own mind rather than what I'm actually presenting here.
To be fair, you're not really presenting anything but Christian persecution complex and paranoia. I'm trying to talk some sense into you.
I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are one of those on the left who really cannot think, or you think with your emotions, and you're so convinced of your conclusions you'd be happy to force them on all the rest of us without the slightest warrant,
Nothing you've said on this thread has anything whatever to do with MY concerns.
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