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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Well, that's what Republicans do, and Democrats too, for the most part. But what Trump is doing is more like playing a video game by yelling at PacMan.
OK, so Trump tries to run the country like a business, correct? Phat writes:
How would that work with a nation? If the system crashes, what does that entail? How do you "start over"?
So if the debt ends up becoming unsustainable, won't he simply pull the plug and allow the system to crash so that we can all start over with a new system?
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
And the working class said, "Boo hoo."
Much of his support base came from a hollowed out, angry middle class that was being forced into becoming a lower working class.
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Thats also part of the problem. The working class has a sour grapes jealousy over the success of some of their neighbors and sabotages any efforts of one of their own to do better than them. You really need to encourage a prosperous middle class rather than keep them down.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
That's a typical capitalist attitude: Bill Gates works harder than you do; all you have to do is work a million times harder and you'll be as rich as Bill Gates.
The working class has a sour grapes jealousy over the success of some of their neighbors and sabotages any efforts of one of their own to do better than them. Phat writes:
What's wrong with encouraging a prosperous working class? Why make the working class something to escape from?
You really need to encourage a prosperous middle class rather than keep them down.
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: Is it possible to do both? After World War II, with the rise of trade unions, some members actually were able to save money, raise a family, and own their own house...truly the beginning of a middle-class lifestyle. Now, we have promises from politicians to create more jobs...but these jobs are either entry level minimum wage jobs or they are highly skilled jobs that ---perhaps---Trump was trying to encourage in his recent legal immigration speech. The $30,000.00+ middle-class jobs are disappearing. What's wrong with encouraging a prosperous working class? Why make the working class something to escape from? I have nothing against helping a working class get ahead, but I am afraid that the middle class is disappearing and that this is not a healthy thing. Perhaps our evolved idea of the American Dream was unrealistic all along...I dunno.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You haven't said why a disappearing middle class is not a healthy thing. Why is stepping on the working class "healthier" than raising them up?
I have nothing against helping a working class get ahead, but I am afraid that the middle class is disappearing and that this is not a healthy thing.
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Must it be a competitive thing? Between two classes? I never mentioned suppressing the working class. All I wondered was why the middle class had to be hollowed out.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Phat writes: Is it possible to do both? After World War II, with the rise of trade unions, some members actually were able to save money, raise a family, and own their own house...truly the beginning of a middle-class lifestyle. Now, we have promises from politicians to create more jobs...but these jobs are either entry level minimum wage jobs or they are highly skilled jobs that ---perhaps---Trump was trying to encourage in his recent legal immigration speech. The $30,000.00+ middle-class jobs are disappearing. I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there is a strong correlation between a strong middle class and equitable distribution of income.
Those halcyon years where the working class and middle class did pretty good? Those were the years where income was spread around a lot more than it is now. The problem with our current trickle down economy is the gusher going upwards.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That's what I'm asking you. Who is "hollowing out" the middle class?
Must it be a competitive thing? Between two classes? Phat writes:
How else can the middle class "get ahead"? I never mentioned suppressing the working class. Instead of propping up the middle class, like you want to do, why not just lift up the working class until they're almost middle class? Why not raise the middle by lifting the bottom?
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
ringo writes: Because in the meantime, I am suffering by working harder for less while waiting for the pack to catch up. At 57 years old, I can't very well put my retirement on hold simply to lift the poor downtrodden masses up. I don't see many other options, however. Both the working class and the diminishing middle class have more in common with each other than we do with the upper class.
Instead of propping up the middle class, like you want to do, why not just lift up the working class until they're almost middle class? Why not raise the middle by lifting the bottom? RUNNING IN PLACE: WHERE THE MIDDLE CLASS AND THE POOR MEET quote: So I'll go with your theory that raising the working class helps me also. The issue is time. Im nearing retirement. How long must I wait?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Phat writes: Because in the meantime, I am suffering by working harder for less while waiting for the pack to catch up. At 57 years old, I can't very well put my retirement on hold simply to lift the poor downtrodden masses up. I don't see many other options, however. Both the working class and the diminishing middle class have more in common with each other than we do with the upper class. It would appear to me that it is the top 1% that need to contribute to the working class, not the middle class. Instead of taking home massive profits, perhaps they could offer better wages and hire more people.
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Phat Member Posts: 18349 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
This is true, although we are at the opposite end of that political spectrum at the moment.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Phat writes: This is true, although we are at the opposite end of that political spectrum at the moment. That is a fact that still puzzles me. A majority of blue collar workers vote for a political party that actively works against those same blue collar workers.
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Porosity Member (Idle past 2124 days) Posts: 158 From: MT, USA Joined:
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That is a fact that still puzzles me. A majority of blue collar workers vote for a political party that actively works against those same blue collar workers. I just so happens that Bernie sanders explains perfectly how poor people are persuaded to vote against their best interest.Divide and conquer.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
quote:I disagree with a lot of things in that statement:
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