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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's a better policy to follow the discussion.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
The OP seems to be about tarring people with an unfair brush.
It's a better policy to follow the discussion.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
We're not talking about an official spokesman, are we? I thought we were talking about some guy in the crowd. Mine was a reply to your message 8, in which you said "Authorities should only be able to deal with individuals who break the law" - I believe they should be able to deal with associations of individuals also, when the associations are held to have broken the law.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
vimesey writes:
Sure, but then you have to link the organization with the individual who actually committed the crime. If George happens to be a Freemason you can't charge the Freemasons with every crime that George commits.
I believe they should be able to deal with associations of individuals also, when the associations are held to have broken the law.
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I believe they should be able to deal with associations of individuals also, when the associations are held to have broken the law.
So when Black Lives Matters goes to the streets and chants "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon" and "What do we want? Dead cops. When do we want it? Now.", and then people actually go out and kill cops, are you on board with BLM being dealt with for this?
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
New Cat's Eye writes:
How do you "deal with" an organization? Lock up every member?
... are you on board with BLM being dealt with for this?
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vimesey Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
If George happens to be a Freemason you can't charge the Freemasons with every crime that George commits. Indeed, but if the Freemasons were a white supremacist movement and their actions were intended to or likely to incite racial hatred, then they could indeed be prosecuted over here as an organisation, for that incitement. The actions of their members would be good evidence at the hearing.Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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vimesey Member (Idle past 101 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
If Black Lives Matter were active in England, and there was evidence that the organisation incited racial hatred, then yes, they would likely be prosecuted.
Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
vimesey writes:
That isn't a reply to what I said. We're not talking about actions of an organization; we're talking about actions of an individual who may be affiliated with that organization. ... but if the Freemasons were a white supremacist movement and their actions were intended to or likely to incite racial hatred, then they could indeed be prosecuted over here as an organisation, for that incitement. The actions of their members would be good evidence at the hearing. Even if ideas inspire racial hatred, you shouldn't be able to prosecute everybody who expresses those ideas. You might as well prosecute the publishers who are still printing Mein Kampf.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0
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Even if ideas inspire racial hatred, you shouldn't be able to prosecute everybody who expresses those ideas. You might as well prosecute the publishers who are still printing Mein Kampf. Or you may as well prosecute God if he allegedly wrote the Bible.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith "as long as chance rules, God is an anachronism."~Arthur Koestler
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Media Matters
That sounds just a bit anti-Semitic to me.
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1053 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined:
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If Black Lives Matter were active in England, and there was evidence that the organisation incited racial hatred, then yes, they would likely be prosecuted. You can't prosecute Black Lives Matter in the UK any more than in the US. Black Lives Matter is an organisation in the sense that it's a bunch of people who got together to organise something. It is not, however, a juristic person - corporations, trade unions, charities, business partnerships - all these entities can be liable for criminal offenses. Loosely organised political movements obviously cannot; since they have no formally recognised structure and command and responsibility. What would it even mean to prosecute BLM? Organisations are punished under British law by fines. If BLM doesn't have a bank account then there's nothing to fine. Let's ignore the self-evident impossibility of bringing criminal action against something which has no legal reality. Even if BLM was registered as some kind of trust or charity; it's actually very hard under UK law to prove the responsibility of the organisation for things done by people considered to be acting in its name. For any crime other than manslaughter the prosecution is required to establish that the individual who committed the crime is senior enough to be considered the 'controlling mind' of the organisation. It's unclear what could be conceived as the controlling mind of a decentralised protest group. If there was evidence that an organisation in England was inciting racial hatred, the individuals doing so would likely be prosecuted as individuals. Trying to prosecute their organisation would be a foolish waste of time. Organisations (usually corporations) are convicted of things like bribery. I would be astounded if there is a single case in English history of an organisation convicted of incitement to anything.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
There are many strongly Leftist Jews. There are also many strongly Rightist Jews. ABE: David Horowitz, Michael Savage, Mark Levin come to mind and at least Horowitz and Savage appear on Alex Jones' show from time to time.
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Faith writes: There are many strongly Leftist Jews. There are also many strongly Rightist Jews. ABE: David Horowitz, Michael Savage, Mark Levin come to mind and at least Horowitz and Savage appear on Alex Jones' show from time to time. I don't see how that addresses what was said. One of the more popular voices on the political right is accusing jews of faking the riots. This anti-Semitism goes back more than a century, such as the Dreyfus Affair and Hitler's non-stop accusation of a world wide Jewish conspiracy against the Aryan people.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
So, let me understand. Alex Jones is defending the Ku Klux Klan by alleging a Jewish conspiracy and you're fine with that because he says it's "left wing" Jews? Seriously?
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