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jar
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Message 256 of 270 (818461)
08-28-2017 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 255 by Faith
08-28-2017 9:39 PM


Re: Jesus was a Leftist Socialist Communist
There is nothing to explain. He already knows he is a Leftist Socialist Communist and that all the GOATS will be from those who are his followers.

But the topic is "Why do people steal? One big reason is need. And Jesus told us that it was our duty to fill the needs.


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Message 257 of 270 (818462)
08-28-2017 9:48 PM
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08-28-2017 9:45 PM


Re: Jesus was a Leftist Socialist Communist
And Christians are really very good at doing just that. It's our job not the government's. And again, I can't wait.
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Message 258 of 270 (818464)
08-28-2017 10:02 PM
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08-28-2017 9:48 PM


Re: Jesus was a Leftist Socialist Communist
Faith writes:

And Christians are really very good at doing just that. It's our job not the government's. And again, I can't wait.

Not very good, in fact pretty piss poor in all.

For example many Christians oppose the things that really help people, things like welfare and Planned Parenthood and Scientific Research and Social Security and Single Payer Universal Health Care and allowing immigrants into our country and Foreign Aid.


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Message 259 of 270 (818479)
08-29-2017 11:43 AM
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08-28-2017 9:39 PM


Re: Jesus was a Leftist Socialist Communist
Faith writes:

I can't wait until you have to explain all that to Him. Boy is that going to be fun.


Your true colors are shining through. A real follower of Christ would speak up for her fellow man at the judgement, not gloat.
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Message 260 of 270 (818485)
08-29-2017 1:07 PM
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08-29-2017 11:43 AM


Re: Jesus was a Leftist Socialist Communist
Your true colors are shining through. A real follower of Christ would speak up for her fellow man at the judgement, not gloat.

Other than the "e" in judgment, I wish I had said that!!


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up theyre not going to shoot me. This is what Im thinking theyre not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

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Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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Message 261 of 270 (818487)
08-29-2017 1:16 PM
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08-29-2017 1:07 PM


Re: Jesus was a Leftist Socialist Communist
NoNukes writes:

Other than the "e" in judgment, I wish I had said that!!


Get with the times. Everything is "e" nowadays, even e-judgment.
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Message 262 of 270 (818488)
08-29-2017 2:16 PM
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08-29-2017 1:16 PM


Re: Jesus was a Leftist Socialist Communist
Get with the times. Everything is "e" nowadays, even e-judgment.

I suppose...

But the image of a someone in line laughing because a person they had conversed with was being set to Hell is just too disturbing to let go by. Sure that kind of smirking is not Christ-like...

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up theyre not going to shoot me. This is what Im thinking theyre not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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Phat
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Message 263 of 270 (828427)
02-17-2018 4:21 PM


They All Need Punishment
Every day, we see at least one person stealing. Store policy prohibits us getting involved, so part of my frustration is directed at the store themselves...why allow $800.00 a day to walk out while at the same time cutting our wages and hours?

The second part of my anger is towards the thieves themselves. I wish there was a way to punish them!

If Only......

For some reason, the widespread acceptance of theft irritates me to the core! I could see it if someone were truly hungry and/or feeding their family...but there are food banks for that! There is simply no excuse for this miserable way of existence.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Message 264 of 270 (828430)
02-17-2018 5:24 PM
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02-17-2018 4:21 PM


Re: They All Need Punishment
Phat writes:

For some reason, the widespread acceptance of theft irritates me to the core!

Theft is not widespreadly accepted. Everyone knows that theft is wrong. I watched your videos and it was very obvious that every one of the theives knew they were theiving AND that it was wrong. Otherwise why run away?

But we do do it anyway. Criminologists tell us that crime is normal, whether we ourselves commit crime depends on a lot of social and personal influences; plus opportunity.

Now, why would your god make crime normal?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Phat
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Message 265 of 270 (828457)
02-18-2018 11:14 AM
Reply to: Message 264 by Tangle
02-17-2018 5:24 PM


Re: They All Need Punishment
Tangle writes:

I watched your videos and it was very obvious that every one of the thieves knew they were thieving AND that it was wrong. Otherwise, why run away?

But we do do it anyway. Criminologists tell us that crime is normal, whether we ourselves commit crime depends on a lot of social and personal influences; plus opportunity.

The point that I was making was that in the observations of myself and my co-workers, crime happens more often than many people suspect. The videos confirm my observation based on the subjects in the videos themselves---otherwise normal looking people (no stereotypes) acting out their supposed social and personal influences given the opportunity. This is what is outrageous in my mind. Otherwise average people, if given the opportunity, will steal to their little dark heart's content! How I wish that our store cared enough about the losses to prosecute these perps!

I feel as if the loss impacts me personally! Am I wrong to think this way?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Tangle
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Message 266 of 270 (828459)
02-18-2018 12:45 PM
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02-18-2018 11:14 AM


Re: They All Need Punishment
Phat writes:

The videos confirm my observation based on the subjects in the videos themselves---otherwise normal looking people (no stereotypes) acting out their supposed social and personal influences given the opportunity.

Ordinary people will commit crime. It's inbuilt in us. Whether anyone does is a function of the way they grew up, the morality of the society they live in overall and whether they see the opportunity. In Japan that sort of crime wouldn't happen. I've seen people put a Macbook on a table to reserve it while they went to the toilet. It would be gone in a flash in most Western cities. It's partly cultural.

Almost everybody will pocket a 10 note found on the pavement even though it's technically theft.

What those videos don't show are the thousands of people that didn't steal.

This is what is outrageous in my mind. Otherwise average people, if given the opportunity, will steal to their little dark heart's content!

*Some* 'average people' will steal, most won't.

How I wish that our store cared enough about the losses to prosecute these perps!

If the store owner doesn't care why should you?

I feel as if the loss impacts me personally! Am I wrong to think this way?

You're not wrong to be annoyed by it, but it's not your problem is it?

The bigger question is why did your creator build this behaviour into us?


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 267 of 270 (828463)
02-18-2018 3:33 PM
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02-18-2018 12:45 PM


Re: They All Need Punishment
The bigger question is why did your creator build this behaviour into us?

Wait, I thought you said that stealing was a cultural thing. Maybe it is not built into us.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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Tangle
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Message 268 of 270 (828464)
02-18-2018 4:03 PM
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02-18-2018 3:33 PM


Re: They All Need Punishment
NN writes:

Wait, I thought you said that stealing was a cultural thing. Maybe it is not built into us.

No, I said that crime was normal. We're all crimals - even if it's only doing 60mph in a 50. An individual's propensity for crime depends on a lot of variables, culture being only one of them.

Crime, of course, is a man-made concept - what's labelled a crime is also cultural. But there's no society that I'm aware of that doesn't think stealing is a basic wrong.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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NoNukes
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Message 269 of 270 (828467)
02-18-2018 5:18 PM
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02-18-2018 4:03 PM


Re: They All Need Punishment
No, I said that crime was normal.

Not so fast. You did say that, and then you told a story about folks not stealing a laptop in Japan. You said the reason was cultural.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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Tangle
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Message 270 of 270 (828468)
02-18-2018 6:02 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by NoNukes
02-18-2018 5:18 PM


Re: They All Need Punishment
NN writes:

Not so fast. You did say that,

Yes, I've said it several times now and always before I have said any other qualifiers. There is a reason for that and it's because it's normal for people to commit crime. It happens in all culture and in all parts of the world. The propensity for crime is inbuilt in all of us. Ask yourself if that's true.

and then you told a story about folks not stealing a laptop in Japan. You said the reason was cultural.

Yes, stealing is not as big a crime in Japan as it is in, say, the USA. The reason is thought to be cultural. Similarly, gun murder is higher in the USA than in Japan. One reason is cultural.

Whether someone will commit a crime depends on many variables, but the instinct is there in all of us. For people like me, it's very hard to, say, steal from a shop even though I would have loved to at some points in my life, I'd be utterly terrified, but for others it's easy. That's not about me being 'better', it's me being programmed not to do it and maybe also cowardly.

The question that criminologists hate to ask is not why people commit crime but why some people don't.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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