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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Just read this at NPR: 'None Of This Is Real': Conservative Media Reacts To Mueller Indictments The article states:
quote:This whole paradigm of two different news sources has me confused. Perhaps I should remember the whole idea of source vs content and re-evaluate what it is that I read. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Does any news source doubt that the indictments are real? Does any news source doubt that guilty pleas are real or that prosecutions are real? There comes a point when opinions from different sources don't matter and reality sets in.
This whole paradigm of two different news sources has me confused.
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Diomedes Member Posts: 996 From: Central Florida, USA Joined:
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This whole paradigm of two different news sources has me confused. Perhaps I should remember the whole idea of source vs content and re-evaluate what it is that I read. The main distinction to make when reading or watching various news sources is to understand the notion of bias versus outright fabrications. The whole 'fake news' mantra is simply a tactic to divert attention away from the Trump administration by attempting to delegitimize news agencies. Bias exists in daily life and the news networks and publications are not immune from it. For example, there is no argument that MSNBC leans heavily left. The views of the main presenters (Maddow, Hayes, Matthews) are all liberally leaning. Now that does not mean their information is 'fake'. It means they will generally gravitate towards news stories that fit a narrative more to their slant. Conversely, Fox News leans heavily right. The main presenters there (Hanity, Carlson, and O'Reilly when he was still around) are all conservatively leaning. Which means they will also gravitate towards stories that fit their narrative. CNN is somewhat different in my mind. People think it leans left, but to be honest, CNN is more disaster porn. They love to overly sensationalize any news story and will run it for all its worth. Their 'breaking news' is almost comical at this stage since there is 'breaking news' every five minutes. From my own perspective, my two favorite news sources are BBC World News and the PBS news hour. There is still bias in these agencies, but I appreciate the fact that they spend more time conveying information than they do opinions. Also, they showcase news topics from around the world, not just the USA. The Catalonian crisis in Spain for example. Brexit in the UK. These agencies covered these topics extensively while Fox, MSNBC and CNN hardly touched them. In the end, one has to always do a little due diligence. The key is to be open minded when viewing the news. If you are coming in with preconceived notions and are just looking for affirmation of things you already believe, then you aren't really getting news at that stage. It's just confirmation bias at that point.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The whole 'fake news' mantra is simply a tactic to divert attention away from the Trump administration by attempting to delegitimize news agencies. OR, maybe THAT's part of the fake news, the propaganda, the bias, attempting to delegitimize Trump and the so-called "alt-right" and divert attention away from the truth about the real villains, such as Mueller himself.
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attempting to delegitimize news agencies Pssh, these agencies delegitimized themselves when they stopped doing actual journalism. It's not even news, it's just bullshit piled onto bullshit.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
My question is how did he get published by MSM, which wouldn't ordinarily float such a view as his. The Daily Caller are a 'content partner' of MSN. This involves some kind of deal - the content partner may pay MSN a monthly or annual fee, and some kind of ad-revenue share deal is brokered. I don't know the details of The Daily Caller's agreement. I would imagine there are a variety of rules regarding the nature of the content that is permitted - political agreement of MSN is unlikely to be amongst them. Money, after all, talks. As long as it doesn't bring MSN into disrepute, and ultimately makes them money - it's probably fine.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The point of bringing down a bad President is to prevent him from doing greater damage. Right. Such as by fulfilling the promises he made to those who voted him into office so that the views of his defeated opponents can prevail although they were voted out. Yup. That's the idea exactly.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Reporting the truth is not a conspiracy. True, but fake news may well be a conspiracy. And that's the question here isn't it?
Has it ever crossed your mind that bad presidents get criticized by people in the press But never before has the media nonstop attacked, vilified, and twisted facts about a President before this. The degree of negative "reporting" about Trump has far exceeded anything ever done by the media to any President before, and there was a big study done that proved this a while back. Harvard? Something like Harvard anyway. It showed some huge percentage of Trump reports to be negative.. I didn't need that study to know that, but perhaps some here could make use of the information. Naa, it would just reflect the fact that Trump is the worst President ever and the media are just being fair, right?
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Faith writes: Right. Such as by fulfilling the promises he made to those who voted him into office so that the views of his defeated opponents can prevail although they were voted out. Yup. That's the idea exactly. Trump promised that everyone would be covered under a Republican health care plan, deductibles would be lower, and the coverage would be better. The bill that Trump wanted passed kicked people off of coverage, raised deductibles, and decreased what the insurance would cover. How is that fulfilling a promise?
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Faith writes: True, but fake news may well be a conspiracy. And that's the question here isn't it? The problem is that you call it fake news for simply reporting on stuff that is shows Trump in a bad light, and that is what Trump does as well.
But never before has the media nonstop attacked, vilified, and twisted facts about a President before this. Did you ever watch Fox News during the Obama years? Seriously?
It showed some huge percentage of Trump reports to be negative.. I didn't need that study to know that, but perhaps some here could make use of the information. Just like most reports on Bill Cosby are negative as of recently. Has it ever occurred to you that reports are negative because Trump is a bad president?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I noticed that "content partner" line but wow, what a strange result to get actual content from your partner that would never otherwise see the light of day under your label, laden with disclaimers of course, but out there where someone might actually think there could be something to it. Wow. To me it's sort of a miracle.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Fox News? ONE anti-President channel is NOTHING to the total anti-Trump blackout blitz of all the automatically public media. And now Fox is mostly one of the anti-Trump chorus anyway.
The question is why it hasn't occurred to YOU and many others here that you're actually getting fake news and not the truth. THAT is the real question.
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Taq Member Posts: 10084 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1
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Faith writes: Fox News? ONE anti-President channel is NOTHING to the total anti-Trump blackout blitz of all the automatically public media. And now Fox is mostly one of the anti-Trump chorus anyway. The biggest cable news channel blasted Bill Clinton and Obama for their entire terms, and you pretend that criticisms of Trump are a new thing. Sorry, but not buying it. Also, you are saying the press is wrong for simply criticizing the president. That shows a lot of bias.
The question is why it hasn't occurred to YOU and many others here that you're actually getting fake news and not the truth. THAT is the real question. I can't take that question seriously because you claim anything critical of Trump is fake news simply for being critical.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
They are NOT just "criticizing" the President. They are turning every little bit of factual trivia into an excuse to make him look bad, they are twisting the "news" for that purpose, they are inventing fake news, they are lying. Somebody in government or the public somewhere will give an extreme negative opinion of something Trump did and the media will pick it up and "report" it as if it's the truth. The CBS "news" I heard a few mornings ago was almost totally made up of such fake "news."
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17827 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3
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quote: Because it is obviously not the case. For instance your real news is obviously ignoring the fact the Mueller was appointed to do this investigation and that rather obviously the dodgy campaign manager with Russian connections was always likely to be among the first to be indicted. The fact that Mueeler is doing his job as he would be expected to do it is hardly evidence against him! So it is obviously dishonest propaganda aimed at delegitimising Mueller’s investigation. And thus we can hardly trust any other claims it makes either.
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