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Dredge
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Message 211 of 218 (826218)
12-26-2017 12:38 AM
Reply to: Message 201 by RAZD
12-15-2017 11:44 AM


RAZD writes:

It's a drawing of a fantasy not a photograph of a real flying pig


Oh yeah, sure it is ... and the photos of men walking on the moon are bogus too, I suppose?
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Coyote
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Message 212 of 218 (826220)
12-26-2017 12:41 AM
Reply to: Message 208 by Dredge
12-26-2017 12:22 AM


Ringo made the comment about the airbus, not Coyote.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

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If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

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Tangle
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Message 213 of 218 (826222)
12-26-2017 3:44 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by Dredge
12-26-2017 12:28 AM


Dredge writes:

A bombardier beetle has no evolutionary history (unsurprisingly), so how can it fit into a nested hierarchy and the Tree of Life?

There are 500 species of bombadier beetle and they fit very easily in 'the tree of life' you'll find them inside the Class Insecta, in the Order Coleoptera.

You have been told quite a lot of outright lies about bombadier beetles by that nutcase Gish, I know you're not interested in finding out what science says about them but for others that might be reading, you'll find it here.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/bombardier.html


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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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JonF
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Message 214 of 218 (826224)
12-26-2017 8:26 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by Dredge
12-26-2017 12:38 AM


It's a drawing of a fantasy not a photograph of a real flying pig

Oh yeah, sure it is ... and the photos of men walking on the moon are bogus too, I suppose?


The existence of real photographs does not mean all photographs are real.

The pig with wings could not fly. Those wings couldn't support its weight. Nor does it have the gigantic muscles required to move them.

ABE: the largest flying bird extant is the Kori Bustard, which can get as heavy as 40 lb, with a wingspan of 7.5 ft to 9 ft. The lightest adult domestic pig is 110 lb, almost three times that of the Kori Bustard.

Physics always wins.

Not that it matters to you.

Edited by JonF, : No reason given.


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jar
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Message 215 of 218 (826242)
12-27-2017 7:05 AM
Reply to: Message 206 by Dredge
12-26-2017 12:09 AM


Re: Another teaching moment brought to you by Dredge
Dredge writes:

Good point. In that case, maybe it's only a matter of time before the remains or a fossil of a Leviathan is found! Wouldn't that be exciting?!

Of course. But it would just be another fact instead of a fantasy. Science has no problems with new facts.


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ringo
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Message 216 of 218 (826263)
12-27-2017 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by Dredge
12-26-2017 12:28 AM


Dredge writes:

A bombardier beetle has no evolutionary history (unsurprisingly)....


Sure it does. Who told you that nonsense? You should at least look it up before making a fool of yourself.
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Message 217 of 218 (826264)
12-27-2017 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 208 by Dredge
12-26-2017 12:22 AM


Dredge writes:

ringo writes:

How do you explain the similarity between a bat's wing and a human hand?


Very easily - a common designer. Notice how very different buildings can have very similar design features.

We're not talking about different buildings. We're talking about the difference between a terrestrial machine and a flying machine. Designers don't use the same frame for a bulldozer and an airplane.

Dredge writes:

Incidentally, it's interesting that evolutionists are quick to point out similarities between certain creatures, but are rather slow when it comes to considering the differences.


Nope. You're wrong again. Evolutionists do talk about the differences. Look at the difference between a bat's wing and a bird's wing and an insect's wing. They have all evolved in different ways from different origins to adapt to the same purpose.
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Message 218 of 218 (826271)
12-27-2017 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 210 by Dredge
12-26-2017 12:30 AM


Dredge writes:

The links between fish and amphibians, amphibians and reptiles, reptiles and mammals, apes and humans are non-existent and are merely products of fertile human imagination.

That's not how it works. The nodes where the branches meet are made up of the features the species share. They are called "shared derived features".

Please learn how nested hierarchies work before claiming they don't exist.


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