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Author Topic:   Christianity and the End Times
ringo
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Message 1291 of 1748 (839448)
09-08-2018 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 1287 by jaywill
09-08-2018 9:50 AM


Re: simplicity verses naivete
jaywill writes:
Thousands of years ago people knew JUST AS WELL that animals are not suppose to talk.
And they were bright enough to see the clue that the story is not to be taken literally. You, unfortunately, are not.
jaywill writes:
God has a way of communicating a profound truth to the largest number of people in all generations.
And He can do it through more sophisticated means than talking animals.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1293 of 1748 (839450)
09-08-2018 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1292 by Phat
09-08-2018 12:18 PM


Re: simplicity verses naivete
Phat writes:
At last, you are arguing that God is hypothetical and is brighter than many believers give Him credit for...but wait...if I recall correctly, you don't believe He exists.
I don't believe Long John Silver exists either. But if jaywill insisted that Long John Silver flew a balloon to Kansas in Treasure Island, I could point out that he was wrong.
Phat writes:
What makes YOU so sophisticated?
I was saying that the Hebrews thousands of years ago were sophisticated enough to understand that a talking snake was a literary device.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1296 of 1748 (839453)
09-08-2018 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1295 by Phat
09-08-2018 12:30 PM


Re: simplicity verses naivete
Phat writes:
... I doubt they had visions of an internet, science, and evidence-based thinking...
What makes you think they didn't have evidence-based thinking?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1324 of 1748 (839518)
09-09-2018 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1307 by jaywill
09-08-2018 8:19 PM


Re: Back to the End Times
jaywill writes:
The Bible has a funny effect on some people. The less they read it the more they fancy themselves to be experts on it.
I, for one, don't consider myself to be an expert on the Bible. I was almost literally born in church and I could literally quote Bible verses long before I could read. I have read the Bible far more since I stopped believing it. It's worth more as literature that as a guide to life or reality.
I do know my way around the Bible a bit and the Internet makes it easy to search.
I could name several people here who are far more expert than I am. Some are Christians, some are not.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
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Message 1369 of 1748 (839802)
09-16-2018 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 1368 by Phat
09-16-2018 11:35 AM


Re: Basic Forum Decency
Phat writes:
Is there any chance that reality itself could be deceptive?
Your own perception (or intuition) of reality can certainly be deceptive. That's why human thought needs to be collaborative.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1371 of 1748 (839807)
09-16-2018 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1370 by Phat
09-16-2018 3:31 PM


Re: Skeptics and Cryptics
Phat writes:
If I walk into a community of believers, and they all confirm the same message, must it be wrong without concrete evidence?
You have one community with one message but across the street there's another community with a different message. How can you evaluate the different messages?
Phat writes:
... if they are otherwise rationally minded people....
If they were rationally-minded people, why would they reject concrete evidence?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1373 of 1748 (839812)
09-16-2018 4:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1372 by Phat
09-16-2018 3:52 PM


Re: Skeptics and Cryptics
Phat writes:
I evaluate the messengers and not simply the messages.
But the Messenger is the same. It's only the interpretation of the message that differs.
That's why it's so foolish to put your faith in the messenger. You're really just listening to what you want to hear. You're accepting the interpretation that you're comfortable with.
What you should be doing is comparing the message with reality and then evaluating the interpretations based on how well they correspond to reality.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1389 of 1748 (839902)
09-18-2018 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 1381 by jaywill
09-17-2018 4:14 PM


Re: Basic Forum Decency
jaywill writes:
I brought it up, rightly or wrongly, because I was MOCKED.
When you're being mocked for saying foolish things, saying more foolish things may not be the best strategy.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1390 of 1748 (839903)
09-18-2018 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 1381 by jaywill
09-17-2018 4:14 PM


Re: Basic Forum Decency
double post
Edited by ringo, : No reason given.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1391 of 1748 (839904)
09-18-2018 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1384 by Phat
09-17-2018 4:55 PM


Re: Wellsprings
Phat writes:
If one believes that humans are basically bad and/or hopeless without God, one would then look for bad behavior or conspiracy among humans which would need fighting against. One would always be on guard against an enemy in some form or another.
If one believes that humans are basically good by nature and did not require a God to guide them, one would trust most media in the free world at least and one would have no reason to doubt moon landings, global warming, or humanist motives.
You have that backwards.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


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Message 1398 of 1748 (839970)
09-20-2018 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1396 by Phat
09-19-2018 10:37 AM


Re: Basic Forum Decency
Phat writes:
...but I find no evidence that jaywill or any of us palm any pea nor con any rube.
Sometimes it's hard to tell the con-men from the rubes. The con-man's greatest asset is the rube who truly believes.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1413 of 1748 (840032)
09-22-2018 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1403 by jaywill
09-21-2018 4:33 PM


Re: Basic Forum Decency
jaywill writes:
And your specific solution for the problem of the recorded sounds which are NOT typically present on the ISS is ___________________________ ?
You should try reading my post before replying to it. I didn't say anything about recorded sounds or the ISS.
What I said was, "Sometimes it's hard to tell the con-men from the rubes. The con-man's greatest asset is the rube who truly believes." I was referring to your stance on the "end times".
You can be either the con-man or the rube.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1423 of 1748 (840085)
09-23-2018 2:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1416 by jaywill
09-23-2018 7:58 AM


Re: Basic Forum Decency
jaywill writes:
What is it that you think you have that I would possibly want to "con" you out of?
As I said, sometimes it's hard to tell the con-men from the rubes. Maybe you're trying to con yourself into believing in the easy-way-out Christianity that you preach.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1424 of 1748 (840086)
09-23-2018 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1421 by Faith
09-23-2018 10:03 AM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:
This states the Fall:
Romans 5:12
as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men...
The Bible is pretty ambiguous about whether the sins of the father should be passed on to the children. Exodus 34:7 says yes, Deuteronomy 24:16 says no, etc.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
Member (Idle past 440 days)
Posts: 20940
From: frozen wasteland
Joined: 03-23-2005


Message 1426 of 1748 (840091)
09-23-2018 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1425 by Faith
09-23-2018 3:03 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:
Romans 5:12 is quite unambiguous in the case of Adam
When you have a set of ambiguous statements, you can't just pick one and say it's unambiguous. That's cherry-picking.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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